Are they two entirely different human species on Earth?

80 and some months, I have a lot of spare time on my hands, and if there were no internet, my interaction with "the outside world" might be about as much as when I was homeless in Key West and had no cell phone or laptop. 

I know some people, perhaps a lot of people, don't care for the internet, and don't use it. However, the internet seems as important to human interaction today as telephones, radio, television and handwritten letters once were.

In November 1995, I was in a SUV with four Australian white people, headed into Kakadu, in The Northern Territory, where some of the first "Crocodile Dundee" movie was filmed. 

It was nighttime. We were headed to a public campground, to spend the night.

A male and a female aborigine came to me out of dream time. 

I had read in the American woman Marlo Morgan's book, Mutant Message Down Under, that aborigines who lived in the old ways were telepathic and didn't need telephone, internet, or anything of this world, nor their own mouths and vocal cords, to speak with their kind.

It then was my custom to ask spirits that came to me, "What do I have that you want?" 

So, that's what I telepathically asked the two visitors. 

They laughed, said telepathically, "We are real people. What could you possibly have that we want?"

Felling like an idiot, I telepathically replied, "Apologies, why did you come to me?"

They smiled, said, "We came to welcome you into our tribe." 

Then, they dissolved back into dream time.

Morgan's book reports her serendipitous meeting with a wild aborigine tribe, who took her on an extended walkabout, which changed her dramatically.

The aborigines called themselves "real people" and they called modern people, "mutants". The real people had stopped reproducing and were leaving the planet to the mutants and wished the mutants well.

Morgan's book was not well received by aborigines and modern Australians.

After I read Morgan's book in the early 1990s, I knew she basically had the experience, but I wondered how well it stuck with her after she returned to America?

About three years later, I was in Kakadu.

After I returned to America, I figured I would be tested to see if I was a real person.

I indeed was tested, over and over again, and I'm still being tested, and it's really challenging living among and interacting with what basically is a different species, which looks like real people, but isn't.

I recently had a "social" interaction in a Reddit spiritually group.

avisionofpeace

The News doesn't tell you this because they want you to think that society is getting worse

So when you turn on the news or talk to most people, they'll tell you society is getting worse Sometimes it seems like society is deteriorating and that it's the end of the world.

Well here's some good news. Violence has been on a huge decline in the UK and USA for the past 25 years.

Link in comments

Puzzleheaded (me)

horse shit

avisionofpeace

The statistics say otherwise and are in the comments.

 

Puzzleheaded

You must not live in USA, nor did you interview the planet Earth, nor angels and ETs observing humanity at all levels, nor demons having their way with most of humanity unaware. Demons exist and are influencing people even in their churches and even this forum. Any real shaman kows this, as can any person whose senses function as originally designed.

 

avisionofpeace

The statistics are from the UK and US.

The rest of your comment went right over my head.

Puzzleheaded

I know where you say the statistics came from and are about. I don't live in the UK, and unless you do, you have no clue what is going on there. I do live in USA, and I've lived here since 1942, and I know for a fact that America has become increasingly violent while I have been alive. And, I know America became considerably more violent after Donald Trump was elected in 2016, and America became more violent since Joe Biden was elected president. Violent internally. Externally, America's military activity is well known.

If the rest of my comment went right over your head, you have lots of company, which is what is wrong with humanity in America and everywhere else. Sound asleep, oblivious, even in spirituality circles, to what actually is going on. What I'd love to see in at this spirituality forum is people telling what their lives really are like, the good, the bad, the beautiful and the ugly, instead of what their theories, or hopes, are. How do you think what you posted here resonates with the parents of the children slaughtered in school shooting massacres? And with the students who were not slaughtered? And with their teachers?

 

avisionofpeace

Statistics don't lie, and facts don't care about feelings.

Puzzleheaded

What you presented was an article about decrease in violent crime associated with discontinuance of lead in gasoline. the graph in the article ends in 2010. There is nothing in your title or explanation under your title about lead in gasoline. The title suggests some mysterious phenomenon. Perhaps lead was introduced back into gasoline and that explains how America has become more violent? That was meant as a joke.

 

avisionofpeace

No I didn't. I presented statistics for the UK and the US over the past few decades. You're looking at the top comment, that's not me. You need to look further down to my comment with the two links.

 

Puzzleheaded

I opened 2 links and read what was there, it was about lead in gasoline. If you have other links, put them here. There are a lot of comments, and I don't know where else to look.

 

avisionofpeace

No worries

Violence on the decline in the UK https://ibb.co/R0tyJZ9

Violence on the decline in the USA https://ibb.co/c2Dq2DX 

I opened the links. The "studies" were graphs, with no back up, no explanation, other than the graph. 

Here's the America graph.

Puzzleheaded

I think you should have put the two links in your lead, or does this forum's moderation team not allow that?
I'd like see who did this survey, and their narrative explanation of how they did it.

Meanwhile, I don't know anyone who feels safer today, than they did 10 years ago, or 20 years ago, or 30 years ago. 

 

avisionofpeace

Yeah it's frustrating, it wouldn't let me post with the links so I had to put them in the comments. Wouldn't let me post photos either. Very strict posting rules on the sub, I think it's text only on this one.
They're both government stats from the appropriate government sites, I can find the exact links if you like? Obviously in most cases I wouldn't trust the government but the other stats don't tend to paint much of a pretty picture like these ones.
I'm also basing it on personal experience because I witnessed and heard about much more violence (locally) in the 90s than I do now. But there will be a lot of factors at play there. Obviously my personal experience doesn't apply to everyone so I understand if you feel less safe. I guess it's subjective to a degree.
Paradoxically I do feel less safer these days yet I actually don't experience or see much violence which to be honest suggests to me that it's psychological and that I have been the victim of being induced by fear pushed onto me by the media rather than it actually being the result of real life scenarios I've experienced.
For example, if I never watched the news, read internet forums, or spoke to people talking about national and global issues, would I really be as fearful for my safety as I am right now? Probably not.
My personal opinion though and I'm sure you have your own reasons for your feelings too. I guess it's a complex situation really and not just black and white.

Anyway sorry about the confusion with the links. 

 

Puzzleheaded

I'm 80, plenty of my body parts don't operate the way originally designed. I'd love to be sent on my way by a drive by. I publish plenty on Facebook and blogs I created and in a podcast that could produce that escape scenario. Much preferred, to getting older and more feeble and rotting away and feeding doctors, hospitals, assisted living facilities, nursing homes, hospices, mortuaries, lawyers, etc. Buzzards much preferred.
I live in Alabama again, where I was born and raised. I'm not a Democrat, nor a Republican. I view both "nations" as cults, and I view religions as cults, and most spiritual movements as cults. There is a great deal of spinning and quoting out of context and just plain invented facts, to support cults and keep them alive and prosperous.
I am a shaman, trained by angels known in the Bible. The training was horrible and long, and still is happening. The angels have a very dim view of humanity's evolution, and I do not mean biological.
I majored in economics in college and took a wooly statistics course. Statistics are not iron clad. A great deal depends on the people who seek the statistics and their motives.
I have extrasensory perception. But even without it, it is crystal clear America is deteriorating and morphing into something not particularly uplifting.
The New Age is as lost as Christianity and other religions. All have a piece of the WHOLE, but there is so much chaff that it's the blind leading the blind.
Some individuals are moving forward, but, in the main, humanity is devolving by cloning itself spiritually, due to destruction and even absence of the feminine - the real feminine,
Then are the demons, which are very real, the New Age and atheists to the contrary not withstanding.
It is not for nothing that you don't feel as safe as you once did. That''s your feminine expressing herself.
Every American should be terrified of the American right, especially if Donald Trump gets back into the White House.
The Democrats and the New Age remind me of the mythical Fukawi tribe, which was ever getting lost and gathering in a circle and sitting down and holding hands and chanting, "Where the fuck are we? Where the fuck are we?"
This spirituality forum often reminds me of the Fukawis.

sloanbashinsky@yahoo.com 

Since America didn't make it schools safe, angels intervened

I don't know why I was slow seeing it, but when when I saw it, I had zero doubt it was true.

The ongoing shooting and killing American school children, while national, state and local officials do nothing to prevent it, is destroying America. If not stopped, the child massacres will destroy America.

With absolute certainty, the rest of the world knows America is not "one nation, under God", because America does nothing to stop the massacres.

It is crystal clear the so-called American "adults" are only capable of talking and sticking their heads in the sand and, basically, jerking off. 

My dreams last night pointed me toward giving American children, and all children, stuff they can use to help themselves, 

So, I begin with simple prayer any child can make to God, or to whatever a child hopes or thinks started everything:  

"I ask for protection."

There is a soul alchemy ritual any child can use. 

The child closes his/her eyes, focuses on what most concerns the child, and asks for "spirit medicine" for that concern. 

That's it. The medicine will come. What the medicine will be is unknown.

I don't know how the prayer will be answered or what medicine will be provided, but it will tailored specifically to the child.

Perhaps the child is delivered from an up close physical threat. 

Perhaps the child is taken from this life, because there is no longer reason for the child to be alive on this planet.

Perhaps the child's soul is taken and a different soul arrives, because it needs to experience what the departing soul did not need to experience.

Perhaps no perhaps - those three actions already are implemented for American school children, because they are innocent and  their parents and governments have not taken steps to prevent them from being massacred at their schools.

Matthew 18:3

And he said: “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven."

Matthew 19:13,14

Then were there brought unto him little children, that he should put his hands on them, and pray: and the disciples rebuked them. But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

In the Gospels, Jesus told his disciples that he taught the masses in parables, but he taught them in secret the mysteries of the Kingdom of God, which wise men and kings would give all they had to posses. 

What did Jesus teach the disciples in secret? 

Who knows, who was not with them?

In early June 1995, my complete being lived three parables as they came into me. 

A young budding New Age healer suggested that I let her take me into a past life regression, which hopefully would help me come out of a 4-year-dark night of the soul, which had onset after I was told in a dream, "With respect to St. John of the Cross, you haven't seen anything yet." Then, I was swathed with pure, raw Evil, and I woke up, gagging and choking, trying to get the Evil off of me.

The details of the dark night might interest some people, but I think would distract from school children in America being massacred. 

So, back to the budding New Age healer, who had a way of leading people into closing their eyes and imagining they were and walking down some steps into a cellar, where the show would begin. 

I was used to working inside, by using the soul alchemy ritual describe above, which is not inclined to conform to anything dreamed up or invented by human beings.

As the budding young New Age healer led me down to the cellar, I went into a trance, and very slowly, I had an experience that caused my heart to heave and oceans of tears to flow out of my eyes and rivers of snot out of my nose.

The young budding New Age healer said it was a past life experience, and she hoped I would start to feel better. I told her it was not a past life regression, but was something else. She seemed skeptical. 

I wrote it down, verbatim, and it is the first vision reported down below: "Of wolves, men and angels." 

The next day, I met with the young budding New Age healer, and she started me down the steps into the cellar, and I had another vision, which had the same effect on me as the first vision. 

The young budding New Age healer said this was a second past-life regression, and I said it was something else. That vision was written down and is included down below: "something about lions"

Two days later, alone in my home. lying on my wife's my bed, I went inside and had a third vision, which had the same effect on me as the two prior visions. I wrote it down, and it, too, can be read by children and used by them: "the gift"

About a week later, the 4-year dark night began to lift.

Here are the three soul alchemy visions, which contain universal principles and energy, which can be absorbed by children and also some adults.

of men, wolves and eagles … 

Once upon a time there lived a man named Joseph, who grew tired of living with people and left his village and went into the woods to live. 

By and by, a wolf pack discovered Joseph and over time got to know him and that he was not like other men, and eventually they took him into their pack. The leader of the pack was a red wolf named David, and soon David and Joseph became fast friends, and they hunted and played and slept together like . . . wolves. 

Then one day, the men in the village where Joseph had lived learned from hunters that Joseph was living with wolves. The men decided it was not right for a man to go off and live in the woods and run with with wolves, so they got their guns and set off to find Joseph and bring him back to the village, to live like a man. 

The men came upon the wolf pack sleeping in the sun next to a bluff. The wind was blowing off the bluff, away from the wolf pack toward the men, which prevented the pack from scenting the men as they approached. By the time the wolf pack realized the men were there, the men had the pack surrounded, pinned against the bluff. 

David wanted to order the pack to attack, but Joseph said, “No, I am a man, they will listen to reason, let me go and speak with them.” Although David did not like this idea, he agreed to it because Joseph was a man. But the men would not listen to reason and they shot and killed the entire pack and took Joseph heartbroken back to the village. 

Joseph languished in the village for many weeks, blaming himself for the death of his pack. 

Then, Joseph has a dream, in which he sees David’s face. David is angry, but says nothing, just stares. Finally, Joseph blurts out that he did the best he knew how to do, and he’s so sorry for the way it turned out! David says, “Better that we attacked and died like wolves, than be slaughtered like sheep!” 

Then, Joseph is back with the pack, against the bluff, surrounded by the men. David says he wants the pack to attack. Joseph says, “And I will lead the charge!” Then, they hear a voice, the whole pack hears it, say, “There is another way, ask for another way.” Never before have Joseph, David or the pack had such a thing happen, but Joseph asks for another way. 

Suddenly, a great bolt of lightning strikes the ground between the pack and the men, stirring up a huge cloud of dust. As the the dust begins to settle, it begins to take the shape of something huge. The wolves and Joseph then see a pair of golden eyes peering from the bushes behind the men. Then a second pair of golden eyes. Then a third pair. Then ten pair. Then a hundred pair. Then a legion of . . . wolves’ eyes. The men are moved by some force to turn around and see what the now delirious pack already see. 

Then, the men turn back around and find themselves face to face with a great towering eagle, whose piercing golden eyes penetrate their hearts. Then, they hear, “These are my battle angels. You may leave this place and go back to your village, taking your guns with you, on condition that you tell everyone what has happened here today.” 

To this condition the men readily agree, and they return to their village and tell everyone what happened, and they go to nearby villages and tell it.

something about lions …

Once upon a time there lived a woman named Alya. She was the medicine woman in her tribe, using herbs and poultices and spirit ways to help her people. Yet she had one flaw: she hated lions, because a lion had killed her father. Her hatred caused her to cast spells against lions, which caused her husband great concern. He often told Alya that her war with lions was going to get her into big trouble, but she was a medicine woman, she knew the ways of the spirits, and she did not listen to her husband. 

One day while Alya was out gathering herbs, she spotted a lion sunning himself in tall grasses on the savannah. She hatched a scheme in her mind to sneak up on the lion and cast a spell on him, which would enable her to steal his spirit and have it for herself. As she crept closer to the lion, she began chanting softly and seeing in her mind’s eye her spell taking over the lion. However, she was so focused on what she was doing, that she did not see in her mind’s eye the lion’s mate returning from hunting. Nor did she see the lioness catch her sent, drop her kill from her mouth to the ground and circle around behind. Too late, Alya realized her peril, just as the lioness took her from behind.

Next thing Alya knows, she is in the spirit world, standing before the Lion Spirit. Trembling with terror, Alya wants to run away, but the Lion Spirit speaks to her heart, says, “There is something you do not yet know.” 

Then, Alya is back on the savannah, watching a hunter from her tribe sneaking up on a nest of lion cubs, whose parents are away hunting. The hunter has a twisted spirit, and decides to kill the lion cubs just for the fun of doing it, even though killing any animal just for sport is taboo in his tribe, which worships the Lion Spirit. On returning to his village, the hunter tells no one what he has done. 

When the lion and lioness return to their nest and find their dead cubs, they are enraged. They catch the hunter’s scent and track him back to the edge of the village, where the lion hides in a thicket and begins roaring and bellowing out his rage over what has happened. The hunter knows why the lion is there, doing that, but still he tells no one. 

Alya’s father, the tribe’s leader, prepares to go out and face and kill the lion, because it his duty to protect his tribe from marauding lions. And so he sets out to face the lion, even as the hunter lets him go without saying what has happened to bring this about, and that a lioness is also out there with the lion. 

Alya’s father quickly finds and confronts the lion, and is preparing to kill it with his spear, when he is taken from behind by the lioness. In her horror, Alya helplessly watches on, even as she now realizes that her hatred of lions was completely misplaced. She feels awful. 

Then suddenly Alya is back on the savannah, stalking the lion whose spirit she once wanted to steal for herself. The lion looks up, stares into Alya’s eyes. She shakes all over, is terrified, but does not look away. Then something takes hold of her, she says to the lion, “I have lost my father and you have lost your cubs. I will be your cub.” The lion looks deep into Alya’s spirit, nods, says, “And I will be your father, and will always protect your front.” Then beside the lion is the lioness, who says to Alya, “And I will always protect your back.”

the gift …

A sleeping man dreams he sees the back of a young yogi meditating in the lotus position. Before the young yogi appear two cobras, raised up, hoods flared. One cobra is pure white, the other pure black. Both beautiful. The white cobra says to the young yogi, “We came to you once before because you were innocent, and you knew we brought a gift and you believed you had to chose one of us and you chose me.” The black cobra says, “We come before you again because you now are wise.” The yogi, now very advanced in years, weeps, chooses them both. The sleeping man, now an old man, awakens, crying. 

Last but not least, in September 2002, a longtime friend dreamed I was in key west painting a beautiful mandala on a water color pad, and then I was painting more mandalas and and people were coming to me and paying me $20 for them and later they came back and paid me more money. I was nearly out of money, looking at living on the street again, and I hoped her dream came true.

I had no artist training and did not draw or paint. Even so, I went to a CVS and bought a box of Crayola watercolor markers, a mechanical lead pencil, and a fine black ink roller ball pen. I scavenged for discarded cardboard boxes and tore off the ears for canvasses and started making very abstract "paintings". 

I set up where a real street sidewalk artist displayed his wares, and presented what I called "soul drawings. 

Day after day, I set up, and there were no buyers. I kept at it. 

Then, I went to the Ben Franklin store on North Roosevelt and bought a pad of  11x14 130# water color paper and a pair of scissors. With the pencil, I divided each sheet into 4 squares and drew small should drawings, as the output morphed away from pure abstract to something almost recognizable. Still, no buyers. 

I started using entire sheets for one drawing. I set up on Duval street. No buyers. I set up on Duval Street with a fellow who weaved hats and other things from green coconut palm leave strips. By then, some of the soul drawings were both abstract and erotic. No one was even looking at my art. I got the message and quit displaying the soul drawings in public..

More time passed. I must have done several hundred soul drawings, and I sold only one of the smaller ones $20. The buyer said he could pay more, but I had maybe $1,500 in my checking account, I was living on the street, and I said I was okay. Probably pretty stupid. Perhaps that would have shifted something, if I had let him give me more money.

I burned some of the soul drawings and three away or gave away most of the others. Last time I checked, a Key West city commission still had one of the cardboard box top drawings, and a friend in Helen, Georgia had another.

I began a new genre of soul drawings.

I inherited the frist $1,000,000 and was living inside again.

By and by, I bicycled to Office Max on North Roosevelt Blvd in Key West, and paid them to copy some of my favorite pieces on their color copier and put them into a file and emailed them to. me. That's all I have with me all of those soul drawings. I think some of the originals are in the attic of a friend who lives on Big Coppit Key, about 20 miles up US 1 from Key West.

The drawings are more than they appear to be. They are living essences beyond the mind's comprehension. Call them spirit medicine, if you wish. Spirit medicine for adults, and for children.

Mustang Sally

Devil or Angel

Cross Pollination

Dark Horse

Feather Talk

Abracadabra

Mary Poppins

Beloved

Lollipop

Welcome home, Kali, I hope

Dragon Woman

Volley Ball

Street Performer

Clown

Picture Worth a Thousand Words

Perhaps something that fell out of me in the fall of 1993, when I lived in Boulder, Colorado and was well into a 4-year dark night of the soul, explains the difference between human currency and spirit currency?

God's gifts are not for sale, but are freely given to angels, saints, sinners, devils and fools alike, because all are God's children

The fun of discussing school children massacres with idiots

Some years ago, my south Alabama amiga Elizabeth blessed the world with perhaps the kick ass of all poems:

All want the security of the well fed pig.
Horror at the baseness unrecognized.
A lifetime spent in shirt stuffing.
And pen comparison.
Is truth more palatable when honeyed?
Is a stark soulscape less so with the eyes of Monet?
May my affectations always be known and understood.

Elizabeth recently posted on Facebook this kick ass of all of gun lover asses: 

Rose Bright

April 10, 2023 

Cars don't kill people PEOPLE DO...

Yet we track, insure & regulate cars 

Sloan Bashinsky

That ain’t fair, Eliza

Thomas

We track, insure and regulate people too. Every now and then the regulation is broken and people die.

Joe

And cars STILL kill more Americans every year than guns, despite not being made for killing.

So... we need to shoot the cars with our guns?

Sloan Bashinsky

Joe How many people die in cars are viewed as victims of terrorist attacks? How many people who cause auto accidents are charged with murder? Hope you don't have a young children and get a call from your local police department one day that they were mowed down at school..

Joe

Back when nobody got shot at my high school, there were guns VISIBLE IN STUDENTS' CARS IN THE STUDENT PARKING LOT. I and many of my friends had our very own shotguns in the bedroom closet at home. And they never went to school. And no one ever even thought about bringing one to school.

"Access to firearms" has never had a higher barrier to entry in the history of the firearm than it does right now in the United States. If you focus too hard on the guns themselves, you will never figure out why some people choose to use them to commit mayhem.

I do not say this for selfish reasons as a gun owner and supporter of gun rights. I say this as someone very sad about this phenomenon, who knows guns and gun owners, who is plainly telling you, the tool itself is not the problem. But no one wants to talk about the problem that makes people pick up a gun and do things like this. That's because we are cowards and we are looking for the easy solution. There isn't one.

Joe

The Nashville trans shooter chose and rejected one potential Target precisely because it had armed security. We protect the money in our banks with guns. Are people trying to tell me that our children are not as valuable? Because until we unravel this problem, the only practical solution is to keep someone around whose job it is to shoot back if this should ever happen.

Sloan Bashinsky

Joe I agree 100-percent. Yet, starting at the bottom, or starting at the top, you pick, government officials, city, county, state, national, left leaning and right leaning, do nothing but talk, talk, talk, and argue, argue, argue. While the school children massacres continue. God has watched all of that, and God will not forget the country that bills itself as "one nation, under God" did nothing to stop the massacres of its school children. The whole world knows America's "one nation, under "God" claim is bull shit. 

State governors should have coordinated with President Biden, and and President Trump before that, to station fully-armed, locked and loaded national guardsmen/women and U.S. soldiers in America's public pre, lower and middle schools, and closed the public high schools, like happened during covid, and let high school students take virtual classes and exams, from the safety of their homes. Private schools should have hired armed-to-the-teeth paramilitary to guard their schools and students. 

The massacres of school children is destroying America, and will destroy it, if allowed to continue. 

Actually, there is an easy solution. Use national guards and US military to protect public schools, and private schools hire paramilitary to protect their schools. all the talking is simply jerking off, posturing, and God is watching and there will be a reckoning, I not in this life, then in the afterlife.

Joe

Sloan Bashinsky God has already spoken on the subject. The Book of Luke alone says that an armed man can keep his goods safe in his home, and that the disciples should trade their cloaks for swords. Psalms says that God prepares our hands for war against the wicked. 

Why can't we post armed guards at schools until we figure out why we even need them there? Because we obviously need them there. Nowadays, anyway. And why aren't we asking why we didn't used to need them? Again, access to firearms has nothing to do with it, because anyone with a brick and enough guts could have secured a firearm in seconds when I was in high school.

Sloan Bashinsky

Joe the past was trumped by school massacres, about which America did and continues to zero. Bibles do not excuse that. Nor does God.

Thomas

Or mowed down by a car.

Sloan Bashinsky

Thomas how many children are intentionally mowed down by a car? 

The Devil loves debate and children not being protected in their schools

Thomas

Just talking about car wrecks and you can keep your God. Cars don't mow people down, people drive the cars.

Joe

Sloan Bashinsky If you didn't want God used in a rebuttal, you shouldn't have used him while making a point. If you don't like that, don't do that.

Back when there were rifle courses at high school, when students were actually issued firearms, nobody got shot with one. How about we bring that back? There were fewer shootings at school when there were more guns at school.

I am fully in favor of federally funded gun safety education in public schools. That would solve a lot of this all by itself. The rest is up to the parents, who really made this mess themselves anyway at some point in the last 30 years.

By the way, you can't say "God is watching" and "the devil loves debate" in the same argument on the same topic. Pick one and stick with it.

After that, I double dog dare you to come up with a solution of your own that has nothing to do with banning all the guns, or even some of them. Perhaps along the way you can explain to me how nobody got shot at school back in the days when school kids literally had guns in their hands at school in rifle courses.

Sloan Bashinsky

Joe I already provided you an easy solution that bypasses the gun jerk off debate. Use the national guards and military.

Joe

See, there's a pesky little law called the Posse Comitatus Act. You can't do that. It's against the law.

That's before we mention that this is a purely municipal responsibility. Towns have their own law enforcement. It should be cops or deputies, perhaps in a newly formed School Resource Squad or something, who are directly answerable to local authorities, local parents, and local voting citizens. If, God forbid, a Uvalde happens, a completely incompetent disaster, you don't want to wait for a phone call from Washington that ain't coming. You want a desk to pound on, right in your town. Which is primarily what you want in nearly every case.

That's also before I point out that you are talking about installing US troops as an occupying force, within the United States, in public schools. I thought that's how terrorists were made in other countries. 

 

Sloan Bashinsky

Joe Day Unfortunately, neither the Posse Act, nor anyone, contemplated the evolution of mass murders in schools by deranged, demonic people bearing guns fully condoned by Amendment 2, according to NRA, the American right, and US Supreme Court. None of which stationed themselves in schools to protect school children. So, based on your legal mind, school children are shit out of luck. There is nothing the President can do to protect them from domestic terrorists. I know you have a great deal of company, and I also know God, Jesus, the Virgin Mary and the Holy Spirit could care less about your legalities. That's why angels now are stepping in and dealing with school shootings in a way over which no human being has any control. The reckoning, aka karma, for those who could have protected school children, but came up with excuses, argued legalities, will not be pretty. 

Sloan Bashinsky

Joe Unfortunately, neither the Posse Act, nor anyone, contemplated the evolution of mass murders in schools by deranged, demonic people bearing guns fully condoned by Amendment 2, according to NRA, the American right, and US Supreme Court. None of which stationed themselves in schools to protect school children. Nor did the states and local governments do that.  So, based on your legal mind, school children are shit out of luck. There is nothing the President can do to protect them from domestic terrorists. 

 

I know you have a great deal of company, and I also know God, Jesus, the Virgin Mary and the Holy Spirit could care less about your legalities. That's why angels now are stepping in and dealing with school shootings in a way over which no human being has any control. The reckoning, aka karma, for those who could have protected school children, but came up with excuses, argued legalities, will not be pretty. 

 

Uvalde was a slaughter before law enforcement showed up. It was a slaughter because the children had no armed guards to keep the terrorist out of their school.   

 

So, the President of the United States of America did not federalize the Alabama National Guard and use it to force Alabama Governor George Wallace to step aside and allow black student enrollees enter the University of Alabama? 

 

So, the President of the United States cannot use the US Military to defend America from domestic terrorists? The US Military only can protect Americans from foreign terrorists? 

 

You say I can't put God and the Devil into the same event? For a fact, the Devil loves the gun debates, which are going nowhere, and for a fact, God is watching all of that, and how each person deals with it, or doesn't deal with it. Everyone involved is on trial in God's Court. 

In that context, this came to me from out of the blue yesterday: 

 

Because parents and local, state and national government did nothing to stop the school slaughters, angels of God implemented three outcomes, depending of what a child's soul needs. 

 

A child is spared death. 

 

A child dies and its soul is taken to safety, because there is no reason for the child to be alive on this planet. 

 

A child's soul is taken and a different soul arrives, because the incoming soul needs to experience what the departing soul did not need to experience. 

 

Two New Testament passages then came to me:

Matthew 18:3

And he said: “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven."

Matthew 19:13,14

Then were there brought unto him little children, that he should put his hands on them, and pray: and the disciples rebuked them. But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

Joe

Sloan Bashinsky And I am willing to protect children with the most extreme and graphic violence necessary. And children used to not need this particular protection in this particular instance.

We absolutely will not solve this until we figure out why school shooters shoot up schools. "It's the guns" is factually incorrect. 

As for your historical arguments, that was a federalism/constitutional issue, not a local safety issue. The use of federal troops for this purpose is unnecessary, unlawful, illegal, and unconstitutional. 

As for your passion about children's souls: we'll have a more productive effort to solve this problem if you stop with the false dichotomy that anyone who disagrees with your proscriptions is okay with dead kids. Nobody's okay with dead kids. We must think you're dead fucking wrong about how to keep them alive. So we agree that dead kids is an awful thing, right? Right. Let's start from THERE instead.

Sloan Bashinsky

Joe What's dead fucking wrong is children being shot to death in their schools, and figuring out what goes on in the minds of the shooters will not stop the slaughter. The shooters are deranged and possessed by the Devil 

Other than the US Military and the National Guards, the only other way to stop the slaughter is for the schools to close, like what happened during the covid lockdown, and children stay home and are taught virtually. Neither of those solutions happened, so angels intervened for the children, and there is nothing humans can do about that, other than get off their sorry asses and defend the schools to the teeth. The only thing available to do that is the National Guards and the US Military, because it's crystal clear the states and local governments and school boards aren't going to do it. 

 

After all of my ranting, something came to me about pro-lifers that caused me to wonder why it had not come to me first? I wrote someone about that and posted it fresh onto my Facebook timeline.

Sloan Bashinsky
It looks to this Independent that the gun debate is over, dead and buried, because no matter what might or might not happen in the future, there are so many guns in America like those in the photo, which are easy to acquire, that regulating or banning such guns would be like the answer to the Zen koan, What is the sound of one hand clapping? Silence. Except for terrified school children's screams as they are hunted, shot and killed with such guns in their classroom, and their parents screams, after they learn what has happened to their children in school. 
I keep wondering why there are so many school shooting massacres in the nation that bills itself as "one nation, under God"? I don't see any way God views such a nation as being "under God".
I keep wondering why the American right shrieks against abortion of even seven-week-old fetuses, but does absolutely nothing to defend even their own young school children and grandchildren in their schools from crazed, demon-possessed terrorists.
I keep wondering why the right-to-lifers aren't shrieking for armed-to-the-teeth guards in every public school in America, to save living children from being massacred by such guns as in the photo? 
I keep wondering why the right-to-lifers aren't beating down their state governors' doors to deploy their state National Guardsmen into their public schools? 
I keep wondering why the right-to-lifers aren't beating down President Biden's door for him to deploy his soldiers into America's public schools? And, why didn't they beat down President Donald Trump's door to do that?
Have the right-to-lifers forgotten President John F. Kennedy federalized the Alabama National Guard and sent it to the University of Alabama to move Alabama Governor George Wallace aside, and escort black enrollees to class at the University of Alabama? Are today's school children of any color or ethnic background not as important as those black students at the University of Alabama?
Obviously not, based on how the right-to-lifers, and the rest of Americans, and their local governments and state governors, and Congress and President Biden and President Donald Trump before him, have done zip, nada, zero to keep America's school students form being slaughtered by such guns as seen in the photo. 
Yet, those students were kept home by President Trump and school boards during the covid lockdown, and they studied virtually, not because they were at much risk to covid, but because their parents and grandparents were. America was shut down to protect, not its children, but their parents and grandparents. 

High school and college students can look after themselves. Let them stay home and study virtually. But for God's sake, put America's soldiers armed to the teeth into public lower and middle schools, to protect young children from being slaughtered by guns such as in the photo. 

What about private schools? I don't think the U.S. Constitution gives them any rights to federal military protection from shooters, but I hope they hire and deploy paramilitary guards armed to the teeth.

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