Monday, January 30, 2023

Wrestling with angels, God, scriptures, atheists, ourselves...


Poetic Outlaws
We create gods and struggle
with them, and they
bless us.
~ Hermann Hesse

Elizabeth
“The rabbis have a metaphor for this wrestling with the text: The story of Jacob wrestling the angel in Genesis 32. He struggles, and it is exhausting and tiring, and in the end his hip is injured. It hurts. And he walks away limping. Because when you wrestle with the text, you walk away limping.
And some people have no limp, because they haven’t wrestled. But the ones limping have had an experience with the living God.”
~ Rob Bell

Chuck
I have s limp, but I’ve never wrestled with text nor angels. It was spinal stenosis that robbed me of my youthful gait.

Sloan Bashinsky
A problem for me with this post is the meme, which relates to an Old Testament report of a man and an angel, which I am not sure jives with the Hesse quote. Based on his books, Hesse seemed to be a mystic. As such, he had unconventional views of religions and gods. Did you read his novel, Siddhartha?
Jacob wrestled with the angel, who cheated to win. Jacob came away with a limp in his gait, which became a badge for someone having wrestled with God, or an angel, and survived,and perhaps become like Jacob.
I imagine wrestling with the text is about trying to grok that and other passages in the scriptures, what do they really mean, how do they apply to someone wrestling with the texts?
As for creating gods, that is not what that passage is about. First, an angel is not a god, but is a supernatural being. You'd probably have to have lived in my skin, or in the skin of someone like me, who has been confronted, steered, rebuked, rescued, etc. by angels for decades, to not think I'm making it up, or am nuts, or whatever.
Something, call it what you like, is there, which is beyond human comprehension, to which the angels named in the Bible are allegiant. Demons also exist, and that to which they answer, which I call Lucifer. I've had experiences with them, as well. Head on, and indirectly, in spirit sensations and in their influence on people unaware of the influence in most cases.
For a very long time, people have had gods they worshiped, feared, loved, etc. And, yes, those gods were to some or a greater degree created in those people's own but enhanced image.
Yet, as I said above, there is something there, which is beyond human comprehension. I know this for a fact, but I'd be nuts if I thought I could prove it to anyone else. I have known people in similar predicament to my own. Strangners in a strange land might describe us pretty well.

Poetic Outlaws
“The atheist staring from his attic window is often nearer to God than the believer caught up in his own false image of God.” 
― Martin Buber

Sloan Bashinsky
For some time now, I've said, if there were no God (or whatever we wish to call what started everything), then that topic would never come up.
I have told Christians that what a person believes is irrelevant, compared to how a person behaves. An atheist, for example, can be much closer to God and Jesus, than a Christian, without ever admitting either exist. 
On this I wager my life and my soul. Anyone, atheist or not, living in my skin since early 1987, would know for a fact that what I was raised to call God exists, and angels and demons and the Devil, too. And ETs, as well. And other sentient beings not recognized by human science and religions. 
I'd be nuts, though, if I thought I could convince anyone about that, who has not had his/her own similar experiences.

E Kay
Spirituality is a relationship with the divine, Religion is crowd control.

Norman
E Kay YES!

Sloan Bashinsky
E Kay Amen

Chris
the divine is also an illusion. ask the dog eating his own shit

E Kay
Chris Ok to each his own.

Liz
Chris 
Sounds like a perfect epitaph for you.

Sloan Bashinsky

Chris, if you lived in my skin, or the skins of some other people I have known, you would have a very different view. Meanwhile, dog spelled backward is? 

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Sunday, January 29, 2023

Some critical race war history not taught in American schools and news media

Some well-known American war casualties.

President John F. Kennedy
Dr. Martin Luther King

U.S. Senator Robert F. Kennedy

Malcom X
Muhammed Ali
President Barack Obama accepts Nobel Prize for Peace
while waging war in Afghanistan and Iraq

When you start a new country with human slavery driving much of its economy, serious karma will play out around that for quite a while, or longer.  

Consider Muhammed Ali was put in an American prison because he refused to be inducted and sent to Vietnam. His view was no Viet Cong had ever called him no nigger. 

Here's something else Ali said:

“Why should they ask me to put on a uniform and go ten thousand miles from home and drop bombs and bullets on brown people in Vietnam while so-called Negro people in Louisville are treated like dogs and denied simple human rights?

No, I am not going ten thousand miles from home to help murder and burn another poor nation simply to continue the domination of white slave masters of the darker people the world over. This is the day when such evils must come to an end. I have been warned that to take such a stand would put my prestige in jeopardy and could cause me to lose millions of dollars which should accrue to me as the champion. 

But I have said it once and I will say it again. The real enemy of my people is right here. I will not disgrace my religion, my people or myself by becoming a tool to enslave those who are fighting for their own justice, freedom and equality…

If I thought the war was going to bring freedom and equality to 22 million of my people they wouldn’t have to draft me, I’d join tomorrow. But I either have to obey the laws of the land or the laws of Allah. I have nothing to lose by standing up for my beliefs. So I’ll go to jail. We’ve been in jail for four hundred years.”

Imagine a U.S. Military with no black troops. Imagine only young white soldiers dying in Vietnam. Imagine the furor from American whites.

I developed the view, which the angels on my case seemed to favor, that John F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King, Robert F. Kennedy and Malcom X were killed because they publicly opposed America being at war in Vietnam. Only a few people agreed with me, even though the Las Vegas odds odds of all four men being killed after they opposed the Vietnam war not being connected, were ZERO. Those also were the God odds.

Now consider the unimaginable. America's first and so far only black president, Barack Obama, accepted the Nobel Prize for Peace, while he continued President George Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney's rich white men wars for corporate profit in Afghanistan and Iraq. Did President Obama ever see the similarity between black American soldiers fighting in those two wars, to black slaves picking cotton in the Old South?

Now consider what President Donald Trump really meant, and what his followers understood he meant, when he said, "Stop the steal." Trump meant, stop the steal by black voters. 

Recall the many photos of seas of white faces at MAGA rallies. Here's one.
Recall presidential candidate Donald Trump waffling in 2016, when he was endorsed by former Klu Klux Klan Grand Wizard David Duke. Recall Trump pretending he had never heard of Duke. Recall Trump not saying pronto that he didn't want Duke or the KKK's support. 

Recall President Donald Trump defending the white mob in Charlottesville, Virginia, waving Confederate and Swastika flags, enraged over the removal of Confederate monuments from public view.
Consider the January 6, 2021 attempt to overthrow the American government by a Trump-incited white mob.
Recall Ivana Trump being quoted in Vanity Fair as saying, when she and Donald were married, he kept a book of Hitler's speeches in a cabinet on his side of their bed, and sometimes he pulled it out at night and read it; and when later asked about that, Trump said, if he ever had such a book, he didn't read it.
Consider Donald Trump said the Iraq war was invented, and when he ran for President in 2016, he said he would end America's endless wars. Yet after being elected president, he proposed monetizing the natural resources of Iraq and Afghanistan to repay America for those two wars.

Consider the furor that arose from the American right over President Joe Biden pulling America out of the Afghanistan war, which President Donald Trump had said he was going to do. There was no way to get out of Afghanistan cleanly, even as there was no way to get out of the Vietnam war cleanly.

Consider two jolting Vietnam war revelations the angels arranged to be dropped on me.

(1) In mid-1988, my father invited me to attended a Downtown Birmingham Rotary Club luncheon with him. This was a top shelf club, its members prominent or children of prominent members. The guest speaker was the CEO (or President or Executive Director) of the National Geographic. His topic was "Getting to Know Our Neighbors." He said the Geographic had come to think many conflicts between nations were caused, at least in part, by people not knowing much about people in other countries. He said a study had revealed that 95 percent of American high school and college students could not locate Vietnam on a map.

After the speaker finished his talk, he invited questions, The first question was, "Did the Geographic have a position on the Vietnam war?" The speaker said the Geographic had correspondents in Saigon, where there was a huge street demonstration of people carrying posters begging America to save them. The posters were in English . That demonstration was seen all over America television news. It swung American sentiment from against to for American military intervention in South Vietnam.

The speaker said the Geographic's correspondents spoke Vietnamese and French and they interviewed many of the demonstrators, who said they had been paid money by the Saigon government to demonstrate and carry the posters They did not speak English and did not know what was on the posters or why they were demonstrating. The speaker said the Geographic did some digging and learned the money for the demonstration had been paid by American corporations and the U.S. Government.  

You could have heard a pin drop in the Rotary Club. Many of the older members, including my father, were WW II combat veterans. My father look like he was going to throw up. He had never liked the Vietnam war. He said nothing about it the, nor during the drive back to where he had picked me up to go to the luncheon with him. He never spoke of it later.

(2) In the spring of 2005, I joined a "Seekers" group, who met weekly in the Unitarian Church in Key West. The church minister, who just happened to be from Tuscaloosa, Alabama, attended each meeting. There were about ten of us. We talked about on and of-off beat topics. 
 
One day, a fellow maybe 10 years my senior, said he had worked for the CIA and was stationed with a CIA team in South Vietnam when the French were trying to retake Vietnam and regain access to its rubber trees and other national recourses. Although publicly the American government was backing France, his team's mission was to help Ho Chi Minh beat the French, so America could have access to Vietnam's rubber trees and other natural resources. He said that Ho wanted to do business with America, but in the end America wanted too much. Not caring at all for Communist China, Ho sought the Soviet Union's help. 
 
I sat in my chair waiting on a response from the other group members. No one said anything. I asked, "Did you hear what he just said?" There was no response. It was like being among the walking dead. Seekers? That older man and I became somewhat friends. He received copies of my shootings off of my mouth posted at my blog. We bumped into each other every now and then in Key West. Sometimes I retold that on my blog. A Key west reader of the blog told me that he knew the same man, who had told him the same story with a lot more details.

Consider also the false flag Gulf of Tonkin resolution in the U.S. Congress, which put all of the above skullduggery into full play and led to America eventually being split about down the middle, until Republican Richard Nixon was elected President and got America out of Democrat President Lyndon Johnson's rich white man$ Vietnam war, like Democrat President Joe Biden would much later get America out President George W. Bush and Vice-President Richard Cheney's war in Afghanistan, for which Biden had voted in favor when he was in the U.S. Congress.

Were America's wars in Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq worth even one killed, wounded or post traumatic stressed American soldier? Well?

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Saturday, January 28, 2023

Will Earthlings ever conquer their animal instincts and travel to the stars?

Yesterday on Facebook:

Poetic Outlaws
“We are certainly in a state of transition; we have arrived at nothing less than the end of history. However, it is not something to be alarmed about. I imagine it's simply the normal situation that prevails when a species is preparing to depart for the stars…
"I believe that the psychedelic experience was the light at the beginning of history. That this is actually the thing; that we have now reached a sufficient level of analytical sophistication to discern the force that pushed the animal mind onto the human stage.

—Terence McKenna
(Full post below)
The Light at the Beginning of History
POETICOUTLAWS.SUBSTACK.COM
The Light at the Beginning of History
A profound excerpt from Terence Mckenna's 'Archaic Revival'
Sloan Bashinsky
Hard for me to imagine any intelligent life beyond Earth wants or even would allow Earthlings to colonize elsewhere. Be that as it may, it's just as difficult for me to imagine Elon Musk actually living on Mars very long, so very, very far from the sun, requiring a space suit to take a walk on the land in a never ending search for water, and so forth. Perhaps Musk has not read, or read and sulfured off, Robert Heinlein's novel STRANGER IN A STRANGE LAND, which I think should ge required reading for every middle school student. 
As for psychedelics, perhaps some day Earthlings will be conscious enough to grok that using such assisted lift off agents might allow them to barely see what they so desperately wish to have, even own, but they won't reach that destination in that way. What they might achieve instead is their souls are hopped onto by supra or super natural beings, which come back to earth with them, so to speak, and feed on and otherwise use them for the rest of their earthly lives.
That may be viewed like grotesque sci-fantasy by some, but not by a shaman trained in the old way. Much safer to trip under the protective wing of such a shaman, who is looking out for and shielding trippers from what they cannot imagine.
Meanwhile, isn't the goal, or the hope, of most spiritual traditions and religions on Earth to achieve the stars, so to speak, heaven on earth, so also to speak, while still in human form? Failing which, in some traditions, we get to come back and try again, and again, and again? 
 
This poem flopped out of me in the spring of 1994:

Earth...
The sacred prism
through which souls are refracted
into their elemental parts,
purified in Holy Fire,
then one-forged
and sent on their way
to not even God knows where,
simply because they are all
unique emanations of God,
evolving ... 
 
As for the animal mind, consider the Sufi Poet Rumi:

CHICKPEA TO COOK

A chickpea leaps almost over the rim of the pot
where it’s being boiled.
‘Why are you doing this to me?’
The cook knocks him down with the ladle.
‘Don’t you try to jump out.
You think I’m torturing you.
I’m giving you flavour,
so you can mix with spices and rice
and be the lovely vitality of a human being.
Remember when you drank rain in the garden.
That was for this.’
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Grace first. Sexual pleasure,
then a boiling new life begins,
and the Friend has something good to eat.
Eventually the chickpea
will say to the cook,
‘Boil me some more.
Hit me with the skimming spoon.
I can’t do this by myself.
I’m like an elephant that dreams of gardens
back in Hindustan and doesn’t pay attention
to his driver. You’re my cook, my driver,
my way to existence. I love your cooking.’
The cook says,
‘I was once like you,
fresh from the ground. Then I boiled in time,
and boiled in the body, two fierce boilings.
My animal soul grew powerful.
I controlled it with practices,
and boiled some more, and boiled
once beyond that,
and became your teacher.’ 

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Thursday, January 26, 2023

asleep...waking...woke

 

Some things to ponder about waking up: 

The Official C.S. Lewis Group (Facebook)

Was CS Lewis a believing Christian or a mystical Christian?

Sloan Bashinsky
A mystic has direct experience with what Christians call God, and with angels, and even with demons, and so the mystic does not believe any longer, but knows such exist. For example, St. Francis of Assisi, Saint Anthony of the Desert, St. John of the Cross. There have been mystics in other religions, such as the Sufi Rumi, and his spiritual teacher Shams. Mystics tend to feel kinda like the kid born on Mars in Robert Heinlein’s book, STRANGER IN A STRANGE LAND. Was CS Lewis a mystic? I don’t know, but he truly was a remarkable man, and perhaps, like some mystics, he simply kept to himself that he was having direct experiences with supernatural beings.
Here’s a link to a novel by a mystic, me: HEAVY WAIT: A Strange Tale. Free read, no ads.

https://archive.org/details/heavy-wait-a-strange-tale_202212/mode/2up    

Poetic Outlaws (Facebook)
“When a writer is swayed with his fame and his fortune, you can float him down the river with the turds. ”
― Charles Bukowski
 
 
Poetic Outlaws (Facebook)

The Waking
By: Theodore Roethke

I wake to sleep, and take my waking slow.
I feel my fate in what I cannot fear.
I learn by going where I have to go.

We think by feeling. What is there to know?
I hear my being dance from ear to ear.
I wake to sleep, and take my waking slow.

Of those so close behind me, which are you?
God bless the Ground! I shall walk softly there,
And learn by going where I have to go.

Light takes the Tree; but who can tell us how?
The lonely worm climbs up a winding stair;
I wake to sleep, and take my waking slow.

Great Nature has another thing to do
To you and me; so take the lively air;
And, lovely, learn by going where to go.
This shaking keeps me steady. I should know.
What falls away is always. And is near.
I wake to sleep, and take my waking slow.
I learn by going where I have to go. 

Sloan Bashinskky
I also found waking up, so to speak, was a journey with lots of twists and turns and missteps and surprises and moving forward. A few poems that fell out of me in the early 1990s seemed to forecast how it would be going for me. Here's the first. 
 
Dead poets are poets who never write
Who obey shoulds and oughts
Who live to please others
Who value money over God
Who die without ever having lived
Death is their mark

Dead poets are remembered by the living
Living poets are remembered by time
Dead poets never sing their song
Living poets nover stop singing it
The difference between the two is this:
One worships fear, the other life 
 
To be a dead poet is hard
It requires being someone else
To be a living poet is easy
It only means being myself
One choice is hell, the other heaven
That is what is meant by free will

The American right, fueled by Donald Trump, delights in calling the American left names, such as socialists, communists, woke. 

Yet, have the American right ever lived in a real socialist or communist country? 

Have they ever experienced the cleansing of the Lord promoted in the New Testament Letter to the Hebrews? 

Have they ever experienced the baptism in fire and in Spirit of the Jesus in the Gospels? 

Does the American right have any clue what being woke really is?

As for the American left, led by Joe Biden ...

I heard a funny report many years ago about a wandering tribe in America called the Fukawis, who were forever getting lost and gathering in a circle and sitting down and holding hands closing their eyes and chanting, "Where the fuck are we?! Where the fuck are we?!"

Meanwhile, here's the second poem that fell of me in the early 1990s and suggested where I was headed:

I happened upon a mockingbird
singing his fool head off.
I asked him how and why he sang?
But all he did was look ahead,
all he did was sing.
He never turned to see if I was watching,
Or listened for money jingling in my pockets,
Or asked if I liked his music,
Or expected a recording contract.
He was too busy singing
to pay any attention to me.
Thus did I learn
the greatest sin of all
is to kill a mockingbird. 

And here's the third:

Who invented the rule that poetry must rhyme, have pentameter, be cast into verse? Yes, please tell me who, just  who, invented that really silly rule? Surely it wasn't the maker of the first stone - otherwise, there'd be no stones to break all those slavin' rules!

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Wednesday, January 25, 2023

Not Ernest Hemingway, nor one of his look alike contestants

When I was a boy, my mother gave me the serial installments in Life Magazine, I think, of Ernest Hemingway's novel, The Old Man and the Sea, which I devoured because I loved to fish. A few years later, I fell in love with the Florida Keys during a family vacation there. Later, my father bought a home in the middle Keys, and I was down there a lot fishing. Even later, I lived in Key West and up US 1 a little ways.  

A couple of weeks ago, I posted at my Facebook page the above 2016 photo of me at Fort Zachary Taylor State Park in Key West. 

One person commented, "Hemingway." 

I replied back:

Sloan Bashinsky
Yes, Hemingway lived, wrote, fished off shore, and drank mucho whiskey in Key West, and made a very good living off his novels. 
During an American novels course my senior year at Vanderbilt, our professor said you knew when the bad guy showed up in a Hemingway novel, because he didn't drink. 
Several times, people tried to persuade me to enter the annual Key West Hemingway look-alike contest, which consisted of old white men with white Hemingway-style beards, wearing Orvis fishing costumes, who drank mucho booze, standing before judges.
I told the people who tried to get me to enter the contest that I was not qualified, because unlike the contestants, I knew how to write and how to fish, and after some years had passed, I added to my excuses, I did not drink.
A reason I never gave, because maybe it was too painful for me at the time -
I wrote three mainstream non-fiction books, which some people said were fiction. I wrote several spiritual books, which in places were stranger than fiction, and sometimes were accused of being fiction. I wrote reams of mystical poems and some novels. And, I wrote maybe 20,000 pages on blogs, about things I was experiencing in Key West and Florida Keys politics, and with people who lived down there, and with beings that did not live on this planet, which people in the Bible called angels, and much of that was called fiction.
Although I tried to make money off my early writings, that didn't happen. Although I hoped to make money off some of the later writings, that did not happen. So, I just wrote, because it seemed I had to write. 
Now, thanks to a friend who is really smart and learned the tech skills to make it happen, some of my writings are already in Internet libraries and archives, as free reads, with no ads or solicitations. More of the writings will be there, as my friend is able to put them there. 
My last novel, HEAVY WAIT: A Strange Tale, fell out of me April-June 2000, after its storyline was provided by a street performer I met in Key West. His jaw dropped after I told him I had lived about half of the novel the year prior. 
Set in Birmingham, Port St. Joe and Apalachicola, Florida, and the Caribbean garden island Dominica., HEAVY WAIT is a relentless, delicious, maddening romp through love, lotteries, broken hearts, enlightened psychiatry, unearthly romance, lawyers, good and awful, more enlightened psychiatry, and deranged politicians, and poetry, and none of it is true, except the parts you believe are true. 
Here's link to the free read on any laptop, tablet, kindle or other online reader or smart phone.

Tuesday, January 24, 2023

Classified Documents: flying pigs JUBILEE

A childhood friend emailed a few people, including me, this from THE NEW YORKER:

No plans for insurrection found in Biden’s garage


By Andy Borowitz


January 13, 2023 

 

WILMINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—Lawyers scouring President Biden’s garage in Wilmington, Delaware, have been unable to find any plans to overthrow the United States government through a violent insurrection, the lawyers have reported.

In addition, the lawyers said, a thorough search had not turned up any instructions to subvert election results by spreading baseless claims about voter fraud or by promoting slates of fake electors.

“If, in searching President Biden’s garage, we had uncovered evidence of plans to end democracy as we know it—or, for that matter, proof of systematic tax fraud spanning a period of many years—we would have informed Attorney General Garland immediately,” the lawyers’ official statement read.

The lawyers revealed that they did discover plans to build a Jacuzzi and a barrel sauna on the President’s deck but said that they would not be forwarding those documents to the Department of Justice.

In Washington, House Republicans flatly rejected the lawyers’ account. “The American people are sick and tired of President Biden being less than honest with them,” Rep. George Santos said.

I replied to ALL:

Heh, I wonder if the mountain of classified documents seized at Trump's palace contained any plans to overthrow the government? 

What I want to know is what was in the classified documents Biden kept for himself, and what was in the classified documents Trump kept for himself?

Meanwhile, the Republicans are all over Joe, but don't seem to remember Donald had many more classified documents than Joe. The Democrats are all over Donald, but don't seem capable of admitting that classified documents are supposed to stay in their appropriate government location, handled by people with security clearance to handle them, and that is not some garage containing a Corvette.

This former practicing attorney thinks maybe both men committed crimes, and therefore are not legally able to be president, and if that's correct, Kamala Harris should be president and Kevin McCarthy should be vice-president. I wonder how that duet would sit with the Democrats and the Republicans?

I recently accepted a Facebook friend request from a woman originally from Birmingham. She had returned to Birmingham. She went to Ramsay High School, once knew several of my childhood friends, including you, old friend. 

We had a meal together at a restaurant. She said she lived in the midwest a long time, and then something compelled her to move back to Birmingham, but she couldn't figure out why.

When she said she could not stand the Democrats and was a Trumper, I told her that she should run from Trump as if her very life and soul depended on it. When she said she sure couldn't be a Democrat, I said don't be anything. Don't belong to cults.

When she later called me on the phone and went to defending Trump again, I told her Trump is an agent of the Devil, literally, and her vote for him endorsed everything he did as president, and unless she denounces Trump, all of that is on her when her roll is called up yonder. 

She kept bringing up Trump built the southern border wall, immigration had to be stopped. I said I agreed, but Trump (and Biden) could have made lots of progress there by banning Americans from traveling to Mexico until Mexico stopped the refugee migration to USA. And Trump (and Biden) could have brought American troops home from foreign hell holes and stationed them on the southern border to stop the very real invasion from the south.

When she said she didn't believe Trump had anything to do with the January 6, 2021 attempt to overthrow the government, where was the proof? I said in lots of flim footage I saw on TV coming right out of Trump's own mouth. I told her not to call me again. 

I think the Republican, MAGA and Democrat religions have lost touch with reality, and I suppose they feel the same about me😎

Childhood friend to me:

I concur with your thinking throughout, although I do see a growing number of Dems expressing concern over the Biden matter.  My thought is that they are more concerned over the damage to their party than the idea that Biden may have intentionally taken those docs from where they were previously, which I am sure was the case in the OT’s “theft”.


Me to childhood friend:

I think every time Joe Biden, his lawyers, CNN talking heads, Democrats try to excuse Biden doing when he was Vice President what Trump did when he was president, it makes a mockery out of them and gives Trump and his lawyers ammunition to argue IT'S RIGGED AGAIN!!! 


I've seen photos of Biden's home, it's huge. Biden has two more homes, yes? 


I think Hunter Biden made a lot of money in Ukraine dealings, which had nothing to do with any business acumen and had everything to do with his father being vice-president. Now, thanks to his father being president, Hunter is a well-paid adviser to and sits on the board of crypto currency companies. 


I think Joe Biden knew he had classified documents squirreled away from when he was vice-president and he said nothing about that when Trump was outed and raided and so forth and so on. I think Biden should resign. 


Failing which, the Attorney General should invite Biden to resign and never run for public office again, in exchange for no prosecution over stolen classified documents; and the Attorney General should offer never running for public office again to Trump, in exchange for no prosecution over stolen classified documents. 


If the Attorney General's offers are declined, proseuction should follow post haste.


When pigs fly.


Oink, oink, oink


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