Was my soul mission to become The Anti-Capitalist?

I reposted at my Facebook page this from the Poetic Outlaws Facebook page.

Song for Baby-O, Unborn
Sweetheart
when you break thru
you’ll find
a poet here
not quite what one would choose.
I won’t promise
you’ll never go hungry
or that you won’t be sad
on this gutted
breaking
globe
but I can show you
baby
enough to love
to break your heart
forever

Diane di Prima (August 6, 1934 – October 25, 2020) was an American poet, known for her association with the Beat movement. She was also an artist, prose writer, and teacher. Her magnum opus is widely considered to be Loba, a collection of poems first published in 1978 then extended in 1998.

Estes Cocke
I have a book of poems written between 1973 and 1985 called Forbidden Fruit. It's a poetic journey through a decade of life where the poet searched for his identity.

Sloan Bashinsky
Estes Cocke Poems started coming out of me in 1991, my 49th year. Lots of poems came out of me into 1995. It felt like they were being dictated to me, or dragged up out of me, by my soul, sometimes, by something else, other times. They, like novels that came out of me then, were about parts of me I had forgotten, lost, thrown away, or never knew were there. Some were cosmic. They all were pieces of some kind of road map or itinerary I was to use to get from where I was to somewhere else, over and over again. The poems were timeless. priceless, sometimes, spooky.

Estes Cocke
Should we share one or two of these delights.

Sloan Bashinsky
Estes Cocke The first, which was on the back jacket of Prisons & /freedom, now a free read at internet library archive, will also provide links to that.

Living Poets

Dead poets are poets who never write

Who obey shoulds and oughts

Who live to please others

Who value money over God

Who die without ever having lived

Death is their mark

Dead poets are remembered by the living.

Living poets are remembered by time

Dead poets never sing their song

Living poets nover stop singing it

The difference between the two is this:

One worships fear, the other life

To be a dead poet is hard

It requires being someone else

To be a living poet is easy

It only means being myself

One choice is hell, the other heaven

That is what is meant by free will

Sloan Bashinsky
Estes Cocke
https://archive.org/details/prisons-and-freedom-revision-3oh-1-compressed/mode/1up?view=theater

Sloan Bashinsky
Estes Cocke The second, which, in retrospect, foretold my becoming "The Anti-Capitalist"?

I happened upon a mockingbird

singing his fool head off.

I asked him how and why he sang?

But all he did was look ahead,

all he did was sing.

He never turned to see if I was watching,

Or listened for money jingling in my pockets,

Or asked if I liked his music,

Or expected a recording contract.

He was too busy singing

to pay any attention to me.

In this way I learned

the greatest sin of all

is to kill a mockingbird.

Sloan Bashinsky
Estes Cocke Several geographical moves, I no longer have the luminous and brilliant eulogy poem that burst out of me on 26th anniversary of the day I buried my seven-weeks-old son - I'd never heard of crib death. 26 is the sacred number for God in some circles. That poem blew a lot of people away. He lived long enough to break my heart forever, and perhaps his? The result for me, I was so disheveled that I was never able to fit into any plans anyone, including me, had for me. I became someone I would never have met or gotten to know, if he had lived. I can imagine he might have had something to do with the two poems above, and with others that came later. 

 

Sloan Bashinsky

Estes Cocke About 20 years after my son died, I was living in Birmingham for a while, and some things happened that caused me to drive to the cemetery and visit him. I had not gone back there since I buried him. I stopped at the front office to get directions to the family plot, and was told his unmarked grave was just in front of my mother's grave stone. As I approached her gravestone, my heart heaved, I lost my breath andI fell to my knees and balled oceans of tears and snot for maybe five minutes. I left and kept coming back and having the same thing happen. I kept coming back until it didn't happen. Then, I went to the front office and ordered a grave marker for a lost child, a woman holding a baby. I told them to engrave on it, "Infant son. He opened our hearts and set us on our journey."

Estes Cocke

Tragic. I wish you and my friend could talk.

Sloan Bashinsky

Estes Cocke my son’s soul completed its mission, he died for me. Your friend may or may not wish to talk with me and should read this FB post and our discussion, before deciding. 

sloanbasinsky@yahoo.com

What do ya suppose humanity would be like there were no outlaw poets? Does it even matter to such poets? Are they a separate species?

Three recent posts at the Poet Outlaws Facebook page stirred me to reply in prose what I perhaps could have cast into verse, if I weren't so lazy?

Poetic Outlaws

Why I Write Poetry
By: Julia Vinograd

Because I can't trust God
to look after the world and my friends.
Worship sure, wandering forests of legend
braiding flowers from the Tree of Life in my hair
while God's beard storms overhead.
But not trust. People die. Everyone dies.
It may be God's will but it's my won't.
Sea turtles live a thousand years.
My words can't become flesh.
My words can't heal an open wound.
But I am a poet and I know we need more time
to make our own huge splendid mistakes,
mistakes we deserve, not just the small clinical mistakes
built into out bodies.
We could have many-colored rings spinning around our minds
like the rings of Saturn.
We could map constellations around a lover's face
and every child could be the Messiah
because the world always needs saving.
God, it is a very beautiful world,
but no thank you, it is not enough.
No thank you for the sunrise when our eyes go blind.
A blank page is a place to list the creation
we weren't given. A shopping list of eternity
where we're never too sick to swallow fresh blueberries
and where the dance never ends.
A blank page is a paper bird to fold up and fly.
I can't change anything but I am a poet
and if I can't trust God I must speak
for the world and my friends.
Want more. Want so much more.
Test each day and night for ripeness
like a melon at the market.
You're crucified on the hands of a clock,
pull out those nails.
I'm throwing you a rope of words.
Hold on.

Julia Vinograd was a revolutionary street poet who threw bubbles instead of bricks. Her poetry was profound and she had a keen eye on what was happening in the world. She felt the suffering of the human race deeply and beautifully captured it in her poetry.

A feature documentary is being made right now about this important street poet titled: ‘Julia Vinograd: Between Spirit and Stone'.  

Sloan Bashinsky
Beautiful.
I lived off and on the street maybe 6 years. Poetry started erupting out of me in the early l990s, before I was homeless. A 4-year dark night of the soul came, and a great deal of luminous and other poetry with it. I knew God existed, whereas before, I had only believed. A black night came, and there was nothing brewing in me but plotting every day how to kill myself, for 16 months. I was resurrected from that dead zone by something clearly not of this world. The first stint at being homeless came and lasted a few years, as more poetry came, some of which I could not assign to my own creation. I was not homeless and more poverty came, I was homeless again, and very little poetry came. V/ery little poetry came since then. Since late 2017, I'm not homeless. I'm 80. I when I wrote poetry, it was because it just came out of me. I did not sit down to try to make a poem. The poem sat me down to show me something about me, about life, and about much more, I came to view all of life as poetry.

Sheila
OMG! Your reply, which in fact is itself a poem, literally made me gasp ..an adjective for which I'm struggling to find... it was positively powerful.

Sloan Bashinsky
There's nothing like seemingly endless grindings into dust and oblivion to season a soul and however it expresses on this small backwater planet in an unfathomable universe, which I seriously doubt just up and came into being without a little nudge from ... something .

Poetic Outlaws

AS I LAY DYING
Charles Bukowski

The time comes to go deeper
into self and the time comes
when it is more innocent
or easier to die
like bombers over
Santa Monica,
and I remember
laying there in the sand,
myself 20 years old, 
reading Faulkner
because the name sounded good
and being vaguely excited
by something
that was not myself
and closing the book
and getting
sick of the sea 
and the sky 
blue blue blue
spots of white,
all dizzy in the trap,
wanting out
but knowing 
I was nailed
like sand-fleas
I slapped at, 
and Mr. Faulkner
laying on his side
immortal and burning
with my toes
and everything tilting
and not quite
true. 

Sloan Bashinsky
A time came in my life, I didn't know it yet, but it was time to die; it was time to become someone else; and so it began. It was not like anything I had read by the great writers, nor heard told by anyone I knew. Although there were some parallels in the Bible, the way it went for me seemed to either turn off or freak out the Bible people, and the non-Bible people. It was simply not believable, or it was the work of the Devil, but if it was the work of the Devil, why'd it keep standing me before mirrors, looking at ... me? Why'd it keep killing me, not usually softly? Why's it still doing it, 26 years later? I read Mr. Faulkner, he didn't get inside of me. Mr. Hemingway got inside of me, but then I was a fisherman, so there's that excuse. Mr. Vonnegut got inside of me, how could he not? Mr. Robbins got inside of me, I was defenseless. Yet, they were just beachhead softeners compared to the Normandy invasion.

Poetic Outlaws

THE AMERICAN WAY
Gregory Corso

I am a great American
I am almost nationalistic about it!
I love America like a madness!
But I am afraid to return to America
I'm even afraid to go into the American Express—

They are frankensteining Christ in America
in their Sunday campaigns
They are putting the fear of Christ in America
under their tents in their Sunday campaigns
They are driving old ladies mad with Christ in America
They are televising the gift of healing and the fear of hell
in America under their tents in their Sunday
campaigns

They are leaving their tents and are bringing their Christ
to the stadiums of America in their Sunday
campaigns
They are asking for a full house an all get out
for their Christ in the stadiums of America
They are getting them in their Sunday and Saturday
campaigns
They are asking them to come forward and fall on their
knees
because they are all guilty and they are coming
forward
in guilt and are falling on their knees weeping their
guilt
begging to be saved O Lord O Lord in their Monday
Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday
and Sunday campaigns

It is a time in which no man is extremely wondrous
It is a time in which rock stupidity
outsteps the 5th Column as the sole enemy in America
It is a time in which ignorance is a good Ameri-cun
ignorance is excused only where it is so
it is not so in America
Man is not guilty Christ is not to be feared
I am telling you the American Way is a hideous monster
eating Christ making Him into Oreos and Dr. Pepper
the sacrament of its foul mouth
I am telling you the devil is impersonating Christ in America
America's educators & preachers are the mental-dictators
of false intelligence they will not allow America
to be smart
they will only allow death to make America smart
Educators & communicators are the lackeys of the
American Way
They enslave the minds of the young
and the young are willing slaves (but not for long)
because who is to doubt the American Way
is not the way?

The duty of these educators is no different
than the duty of a factory foreman
Replica production make all the young think alike
dress alike believe alike do alike
Togetherness this is the American Way
The few great educators in America are weak & helpless
They abide and so uphold the American Way
Wars have seen such men they who despised things about them
but did nothing and they are the most dangerous
Dangerous because their intelligence is not denied
and so give faith to the young
who rightfully believe in their intelligence
Smoke this cigarette doctors smoke this cigarette
and doctors know
Educators know but they dare not speak their know
The victory that is man is made sad in this fix
Youth can only know the victory of being born
all else is stemmed until death be the final victory
and a merciful one at that
If America falls it will be the blame of its educators
preachers communicators alike
America today is America's greatest threat
We are old when we are young
America is always new the world is always new
The meaning of the world is birth not death
Growth gone in the wrong direction
The true direction grows ever young
In this direction what grows grows old
A strange mistake a strange and sad mistake
for it has grown into an old thing
while all else around it is new
Rockets will not make it any younger—
And what made America decide to grow?
I do not know I can only hold it to the strangeness in man
And America has grown into the American Way—
To be young is to be ever purposeful limitless
To grow is to know limit purposelessness
Each age is a new age
How outrageous it is that something old and sad
from the pre-age incorporates each new age—
Do I say the Declaration of Independence is old?
Yes I say what was good for 1789 is not good for 1960
It was right and new to say all men were created equal
because it was a light then
But today it is tragic to say it
today it should be fact—
Man has been on earth a long time
One would think with his mania for growth
he would, by now, have outgrown such things as
constitutions manifestos codes commandments
that he could well live in the world without them
and know instinctively how to live and be
—for what is being but the facility to love?

Was not that the true goal of growth, love?
Was not that Christ?
But man is strange and grows where he will
and chalks it all up to Fate whatever be—
America rings with such strangeness
It has grown into something strange and
the American is good example of this mad growth
The boy man big baby meat
as though the womb were turned backwards
giving birth to an old man
The victory that is man does not allow man
to top off his empirical achievement with death
The Aztecs did it by yanking out young hearts
at the height of their power
The Americans are doing it by feeding their young to the
Way
For it was not the Spaniard who killed the Aztec
but the Aztec who killed the Aztec
Rome is proof Greece is proof all history is proof
Victory does not allow degeneracy
It will not be the Communists will kill America
no but America itself—
The American Way that sad mad process
is not run by any one man or organization
It is a monster born of itself existing of its self
The men who are employed by this monster
are employed unknowingly
They reside in the higher echelons of intelligence
They are the educators the psychiatrists the ministers
the writers the politicians the communicators
the rich the entertainment world
And some follow and sing the Way because they sincerely
believe it to be good
And some believe it holy and become minutemen in it
Some are in it simply to be in
And most are in it for gold
They do not see the Way as monster
They see it as the "Good Life"
What is the Way?
The Way was born out of the American Dream a
nightmare—
The state of Americans today compared to the Americans
of the 18th century proves the nightmare—
Not Franklin not Jefferson who speaks for America today
but strange red-necked men of industry
and the goofs of show business
Bizarre! Frightening! The Mickey Mouse sits on the throne
and Hollywood has a vast supply—
Could grammar school youth seriously look upon
a picture of George Washington and "Herman Borst"
the famous night club comedian together at Valley
Forge?
Old old and decadent gone the dignity
the American sun seems headed for the grave
O that youth might raise it anew
The future depends solely on the young
The future is the property of the young
What the young know the future will know
What they are and do the future will be and do
What has been done must not be done again
Will the American Way allow this?
No.
I see in every American Express
and in every army center in Europe
I see the same face the same sound of voice
the same clothes the same walk
I see mothers & fathers no
difference among them
Replicas
They not only speak and walk and think alike
they have the same face
What did this monstrous thing?
What regiments a people so?

How strange is nature's play on America
Surely were Lincoln alive today
he could never be voted President not with his
looks—
Indeed Americans are babies all in the embrace
of Mama Way
Did not Ike, when he visited the American Embassy in
Paris a year ago, say to the staff—"Everything is fine, just drink
Coca Cola, and everything will be all right."
This is true, and is on record
Did not American advertising call for TOGETHERNESS?
not orgiasticly like today's call
nor as means to stem violence
This is true, and is on record.
Are not the army centers in Europe ghettos?
They are, and O how sad how lost!
The PX newsstands are filled with comic books
The army movies are always Doris Day
What makes a people huddle so?
Why can't they be universal?
Who has smelled them so?
This is serious! I do not mock or hate this
I can only sense some mad vast conspiracy!
Helplessness is all it is!
They are caught in the Way—
And those who seek to get out of the Way
can not
The Beats are good example of this
They forsake the Way's habits
and acquire for themselves their own habits
And they become as distinct and regimented and lost
as the main flow
because the Way has many outlets
like a snake of many tentacles—
There is no getting out of the Way
The only way out is the death of the Way
And what will kill the Way but a new consciousness
Something great and new and wonderful must happen
to free man from this beast
It is a beast we can not see or even understand
For it be the condition of our minds
God how close to science fiction it all seems
As if some power from another planet
incorporated itself in the minds of us all
It could well be
For as I live I swear America does not seem like America
to me

Americans are a great people
I ask for some great and wondrous event
that will free them from the Way
and make them a glorious purposeful people once
again
I do not know if that event is due deserved
or even possible
I can only hold that man is the victory of life
And I hold firm to American man

I see standing on the skin of the Way
America to be as proud and victorious as St.
Michael on the neck of the fallen Lucifer—

Sloan Bashinsky
I am an American, who actually lives, breathes and sleeps where the Devil is mistaken for the Christ, much to the Devil's great delight. 
When I look at photos and video coverage of the Jan 6, 2020 assault on and inside the national Capitol, and at photos of Trump rallies, I see oceans of white faces. In the law is the doctrine of res ipsa loquitur, which is Latin for, The thing speaks for itself. Another saying is, a picture is worth a thousand words. I am pretty sure that when Trump railed about the 2020 election being rigged, and then being stolen from him, his legions understood he meant, by American Blacks.
I live in Alabama, where more than half of ordinary Americans genuinely think God is on their and Donald Trump's side and the Devil is on the Democrats' side. I used to live in Florida, and I am pretty sure more than half of the ordinary people in Florida believe the same, and about half of them prefer Ron DeSantis over Trump, and the other half are certain Trump made America Great Again.
I'm an Independent, and am not all that impressed with Biden and the left, but they don't wave Bibles and claim God is on their side, and they don't remind me of Germany in the 1930s and later, nor of Russia back then, or now.

https://www.npr.org/sections/pictureshow/2022/01/06/1070610129/photos-one-year-later-a-look-back-on-the-jan-6-insurrection?fbclid=IwAR0j-ZvNltZTMumFAPQeEEHMKp3pFqpC4UHeJ0-zd_ZrRQCnCdZLFWQsJis

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Hey January 6 insurrection defenders - You can't spin photographs and you can't fix stupid!

the quiet before the storm

Sometimes when I get myself involved in something, or something gets me involved, I become aware that what is really going on is the "transaction" is a probe, and the point is to see what come back in response to the probe. The spirit world, or if you wish, angels, watch such things, even if human beings don't. What the angels do with what they see is above my pay grade. My job even now, although perhaps not as much as in past times, is to engage what comes my way, in ways angels trained me, and then try to get out of the way.

The other day, I accepted a Facebook friend request from a fellow, because his FB bio showed he and I had attended the same high school and college: The McCallie School, in Chattanooga, Tennessee; and Vanderbilt University, in Nashville. He then posted something on Facebook defending Tucker Carlson, and I couldn't resist. You can read all about that in the next previous post at this blog: 

The truth might set you free, if you aren't so brainwashed that you have become an artificial intelligence

He then posted:

Joseph P. Walker III

Sloan Bashinsky I didn't friend you because of supposedly shared political views but because I thought you are interesting and I haven't been dismayed from that view. I will say this we all Left, Right Center and Independent have been abused by our political leadership for a long time on a lot of fronts and it's time for the average American to wake up from it's Rip Van Winkle sleep and realize that the People created this government and not the other way round. As for Tucker Carlson, I found all of his interviews have been provocative and interesting and importantly He seems to pick interviewees from differing occupations, and political viewpoints but gives them much more free rein to express themselves than the typical three minutes sound bite his competition allows. As for my views I am unabashedly Rightist so long as I and others are allowed the right to speak freely about the judgement and mistakes of our political leadership.I find that media people in the vein of Tucker Carlson know how to skewer fools that had the American public not been asleep in 2020 would never have voted for in the first place. Hopefully the American voter won't fall for the gibberish mouthing of our current POTUS in 2024. 

 

Doug Tamplin (who also attended McCallie)

Hey, Sloan! 

 

Sloan Bashinsky

Doug Tamplin Holy cow, Doug. You still around? Good hearing from you! 

 

Doug Tamplin

Sloan Bashinsky, good to know you are still breathing…keep up the good work! 

 

Sloan Bashinsky

Joseph P. Walker III, after the Jan 6 insurrection, didn't Tucker Carlson give free reign to people on his show, who were hollering the election had been stolen, and privately Tucker was saying those people were making shit up? Hasn't Rupert Murdock, Tucker's boss, been saying the dame thing, lately? T/ucker reminds me of a very young man still trying to prove himself, and he will go to great lengths to try to do it.

The problem with being unabashedly right, is the same problem as being unabashedly left. You can't be objective, clinical, about what you have made into your religion.

As far as your tolerance for people who don't agree with you, you wrote this to a woman you don't even know, who called you out on your Tucker Carson post:

Joseph P. Walker III

Cindy Woodall after reading your FB blurb , I think you are not a real person ; just a mish mash of information that is beneath the experience of someone supposedly born in 1947. What ever you say you are has used any inferior AI creation. If you wish to draw rhetorical swords with me come out of the shadows or bugger off.

Looks to me the Republican, MAGA and Democrat religions consist of programmed AIs, robots, clones. 

 

Joseph P. Walker III

Sloan Bashinsky the Lady used an FB page that denied her picture. She didn't really deserve the air to even write her comment If some ones yell and screams that I'm an insurrectionist which I'm not she should take the same medicine that one gives a heckler in the crowd!

Actually my main comment to her was Latin: non potes figere stultitiam! 

 

Sloan Bashinsky

Joseph P. Walker III I think your words to her are your true self, and Republicans who didn’t call for Trump and the people who stormed the Capitol to be criminally prosecuted, are accomplices.

You are correct about non potes figere stultitiam, you can't fix stupid, but I think it's not Cindy to whom that applies. Here's what she actually wrote, and your reply.

Cindy Woodall

Omg what drugs are you on that you would actually believe all that hogwash you are preaching? It appears you were paid by ol mafia Don Trump himself and speaking of trampling on rights, how about the trampling of the rights and the persoñage of 100 police officers. Did you ñot see the live footage?

Joseph P. Walker III

Cindy l after reading your FB blurb, I think you are not a real person; just a mish mash of information that is beneath the experience of someone supposedly born in 1947. What ever you say you are has used any inferior AI creation. If you wish to draw rhetorical swords with me come out of the shadows or bugger off.

Joseph P. Walker 

Sloan read carefully her screed to me again. Intemperate comments that I am on drugs or that I was paid off by Trump etc. do not warrant an apology.

Sloan Bashinsky
Joseph P. Walker III your Tucker Carlson screed jolted her, but not me. I’ve had many conversations with rightists about Jan 6. 

 

Joseph P. Walker III

Sloan Bashinsky I think there was another truth about the election and the so called insurrection which is in the process of being reviewed. There are too many witnesses because of the tapes that were given to Tucker on January 6 to continue to trot out the theory it was an insurrection. 

 

Sloan Bashinsky

Joseph P. Walker III the photos and film clips, res ipsa loquitur, speak for themselves in any human court, and in God’s Court. 

 

Joseph P. Walker III

Sloan Bashinsky since you are suggesting negligence in your quote. Perhaps the true negligence occurred when the House Majority Leader refused addition national guards at the Capitol. I never said then nor now that there weren't illegalities done by people on that day. I just don't believe it was an insurrection. 

 

Sloan Bashinsky

What negligence? Trucker Carlson knew exactly what he was doing. You are saying the people in charge of the national Guard were negligent in not having lots of armed guardsmen there, to prevent what you believe was not an insurrection, but if was, it was their fault? Your belief is TRUMPED by

Joseph P. Walker III

Sure if you know in advance that the crowd might become unruly and you are the owner of a property that has insufficient crowd control or exits say in a movie theater, large nightclub, outdoor rock concert etc. You can be sued because some of the people there are not responsible for the unruly crowd but get trampled. From what have learned the Capitol Police themselves did not feel they had sufficient resources to control the crowd Also you seem to elide the truth that perhaps there were agent provocateurs like Ray Epps who was egging people to breach the Capitol. And you totally ignore the goofy guy in the buffalo horned hat who is being led quietly around the offices there, yet he gets a 4 year prison sentence and his lawyer was never given a copy of the tape even though it's exculpatory evidence. And you don't mention the number of people still in jail who have never been charged with any crime. 

 

Sloan Bashinsky

Joseph P. Walker III your arguments would get Fs in any real law school. The provoker was Donald J Trump. And you are one example of his Pravda.  

 

Joseph P. Walker III

Sloan Bashinsky I don't agree with you and there are lawyers who also might disagree as it pertains to the whole issue of crowd management at the Capitol. That day. 

 

Sloan Bashinsky

Joseph P. Walker III people once believed the earth was flat, too 

 

Doug Tamplin

Joseph P. Walker III, you are BOTH my friends from way back…just agree to disagree and stay friends with each other. 

 

Joseph P. Walker III

Agreed 

 

Sloan Bashinsky

Doug Tamplin Sorry, can't agree to disagree with someone who says this wasn't an insurrection and people who had nothing to do with it happening were responsible for not preventing it. 

 

Doug Tamplin

Sloan Bashinsky, I have a lot of friends who don’t agree with everything I think! 

 

Sloan Bashinsky

Do you tell them that photo isn’t of an insurrection, and people who had nothing to do with it were responsible for not preventing it?

Do you let friends get away wth this sort of thing? If so, are you really their friend?

Joseph P. Walker III

Cindy Woodall after reading your FB blurb, I think you are not a real person; just a mish mash of information that is beneath the experience of someone supposedly born in 1947. What ever you say you are has used any inferior AI creation. If you wish to draw rhetorical swords with me come out of the shadows or bugger off.

Doug Tamplin

Sloan Bashinsky, communication consists of sending and receiving…some people just don’t have a receiver…I try to love them anyway. 

 

Sloan Bashinsky

Doug Tamplin I understand, and Joseph looks to me like his receiver needs repair, and perhaps then he might see things differently. He's not my friend. Just someone who sent me a friend request and I accepted it because we both attended McCallie and Vanderbilt. What he said to Cindy Woodall revealed the real him. Crass, cruel, haughty. Trump treats people like that, who call him out. 

 

Doug Tamplin

Sloan Bashinsky, our Constitution was blatantly ignored, and, apparently, a whole lot of people don’t seem to care. I pray that the middle of the bell curve of our citizens has more respect for what so many of our forefathers gave their lives to establish. 

 

Sloan Bashinsky

Doug Tamplin According to Trump and his legions and most Repblicans I know and see talking online and in the news, the Constitution was blatantly ignored by the people who counted the 2020 votes, the voting machines, and Mike Pence, So, please clarify who you mean by a whole lot of people? Thanks. 

 

Doug Tamplin

Sloan Bashinsky, both extremes (conservative and liberal) have played a part in what I feel is an inevitable train wreck…I pray that we can get back to trying to be kinder and gentler.

   

Sloan Bashinsky.  

The Dems had something to do with Jan 6? Here's an NPR photo slide show of what caused the insurrection against and inside the Capitol on that day. A picture's worth a thousand words. This slide show is a lot of such pictures. https://www.npr.org/sections/pictureshow/2022/01/06/1070610129/photos-one-year-later-a-look-back-on-the-jan-6-insurrection 

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Photos: A look back at the Jan. 6 insurrection

After Doug Tamplin joined the discussion, Joseph P Walker III private messaged me, and we had further discussion his FB friends could not see.

Joseph

Here is an example of what I'm talking about https://www.arnolditkin.com/blog/concert-injuries/crowd-injuries-are-the-fault-of-event-organizers/

Crowd Injuries Are the Fault of Event Organizers, Not Fans

As a fan, you’re not responsible for crowd safety. Event organizers are.

Sloan

Trump caused Jan 6, and you are one of his ardent defenders

Joseph

Yup but I'm open to younger candidates in 2024. The people who don't like him harp on his rhetoric. But rhetoric doesn't and shouldn't make policy. I think I liked America where blacks got more of the economic pie, filling my gas tank still allowed enough in my pocket to take a road trip and we were building a wall along the Mexican border. Now we're sucking wind under President Biden a totally crass, crooked and economic nincompoop.

Sloan

I was amused when you took our dialogue to private chat. Hard to find a more crass and crooked than Trump. What does that tell me about his ardent defender, you? As for your white guy concern for black people economics, look at photos of Trump rallies and Jan 6 assault on Capitol, which Trump alone incited, and tell me how many black people you see. Res ipsa loquitur

Joseph

Yup decided to pull over to the side of the road. Now that we know each other's political boundaries I still detect you don't like what is going on in both parties. Like Evelyn said earlier, she voted for the lesser of two evils. Which I think we both try to do. Unfortunately America isn't thriving from either one. Possibly voting for Convention of States amendment to make all elective offices be determinant in length. Maybe a one term of six years for President like that of the Confederacy might help. But I think giving the individual states a free rein on deciding elementary and secondary curriculums might improve things. But whatever comes what we have now isn't working effectively

Sloan

I responded to your Tucker Carlson rant, which I viewed as nuts in the clinical sense. Your response to the Woodall woman was in the ilk of how Donald Trump responds to anyone who doesn't argee with him. Trump wants to be president for life, he made that clear shortly after he was elected in 2016. I see no way, someone who thinks and speaks publicly the way you do, can be good for America, which indeed is all fucked up, and Trump made America more fucked up than it ever had been, and he will fuck it up even more, if he gets back into the White House. I tell Republicans to quit whining about Democrats, and get their own house in order, like their alleged savior Jesus in the Gospels told them to do. I tell whining Democrats to quit whining about the Republicans and get their own house in order. I don't drag Jesus into it with them, because very few of them waive Bibles when they talk, or claim God is on their side.

Joseph

Thank you Sloan

Sloan

Hard for me to imagine you mean that sincerely, when you have not publicly apologized to Cindy Woodall in that FB thread. You are correct about non potes figere 

stultitiam, you can't fix stupid, but I think it's not Cindy to whom that applies. 

 

Joseph

Actually If would do your research. She was an interloper on my comments. I have never known her and I challenged her because there was no identifying information in the FB site she came from. So no apology is owed, particularly the rancor she challenged me. I still question the whole January , 6 event that the tapes themselves cast doubt that an intersection took place and as I have stated before I didn't condone misbehavior  and I still take issue that the Capitol was undermanned. I think a Capitol policeman who fired his pistol to kill the female was totally unjustified and Fallas within the same vein of the Dallas police officer,a woman who killed an unarmed accountant in Dallas last year and has been convicted. I think the real reason why you detest Tucker Carlson is that he in a calm relaxed manner has severely eviscerated the Left's charges of insurrection not just by blowing smoke but letting the public judge for themselves the events of January 6 th.  And I'm asking you as a lawyer, do you not see that possible exculpatory tapes of the convicted Buffalo horned guy might have changed his guilty conviction had a jury been able to view it.  Thank you

Me
The Bufalo horned guy was no more a shaman than you are, but he dressed nice. If he was wrongly convicted, I hope his conviction is thrown out. I can't say this on Facebook public, they killed my FB account for saying it there. I have a very good friend, Republican, who voted for Donald Trump. My friend is former US Army Special Forces combat veteran. He told me that the people who assaulted the Capitol all should have been shot dead, and he told me I could quote him.
If you allow the public to see your FB posts, you authorize and invite the public to comment. I you don't like what the public tells you, that's on you. Same if you participate in someone else's discussion on FB.

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