Existential spirituality versus theoretical

For me, after wading though various religions, practices, beliefs, phenomena, etc., spirituality boils down to how we live and behave in the grist mill of life on Earth, and it is very easy to get sidetracked.

This below was posted yesterday into an online spirituality group. I read the various replies under it and replied as Puzzleheaded. Everyone uses a fake name. A group member going by Existential replied to me, and we had some discussion.

Posted by Explorer

If time has no beginning and souls are eternal, why are there young souls?

Philosophy 
If there is no beginning, if time is eternal transformation and metamorphosis, why are there extremely young souls and extremely old souls?
Where were those young souls when the old souls were already "operating in life".

Not born? Then are souls not eternal?

voter

"Old souls" is an erroneous concept. When people refer to an old soul they are likely sensing someone who has walked a bit further down the path than others. As sparks of The Source, souls were all created at once.

bitters

Look at a tree in spring.
Some buds blossom sooner than others. You could say that those leaves or fruits are "older" in comparison to buds that blossomed later.
But really, they're all part of the same tree.

Souls are similar. In the physical world, we see our bodies as separate. But the metaphysical realm, we're connected by the same roots.

Blessing

"Old' can also refer to experience rather than just age. An old soul may just be one that has had more lives on earth than another. They may seem to have wisdom or insight beyond their years simply because they've done this before

get

Seems nobody is clear on the answer here.
Everything is changing, often cyclic in a way. When we say eternal, soul isn't part of what is unchanging. The world is reborn, and so are souls. It is all part of the variety of existence.

In term of human lives however, this is too vast to really comprehend.

Existential

I wrote this as a comment on its own, but you may not see; there is a clear answer:
"Young soul, old soul, is a misunderstanding.
We have been caught in this misidentification with the material atmosphere for either a short time, or maybe a long time.

The soul is eternal."

get

Clarity is subjective though, so even though intellectually correct, how do you identify yourself in the present?

Existential

As an eternal spirit soul, temporarily misidentifying with this biological body; to varying degrees, depending on my level of awareness at any particular moment.

It's a journey toward greater awareness of truth.

Believe

Can you tell me your own definition of time? Just curious about your opinion.

Ability

I think the terminology of old/new soul is in regards to realizing you are a soul. A new soul gets lost in the world and get lured into material things. May not be very spiritual because the world is so new and easily get enthralled in it. Old souls have wisdom because they realize this ain’t their first time around the sun. So it’s not in regards to actual time but wisdom I feel. Maybe not time but life times? Interesting to think about. Great question

Electronic

I’ve been wondering about time and reincarnation too… Dolores Cannon talks about how we sometimes have to repeat lives if we have not learned the lessons we set out to learn in that lifetime. She says you come back with the same people in the same time. So I’m wondering how time works in this regard… I may be reborn again in the 90s? So you kinda time travel?

cotton

Things like young or old souls only exist in relation to our conceptualization of time. In reality everything is happening at the same 🤦‍♀️ time

dirk

Becuase there's no such thing as "old" or "young" souls. It's complete bullshit.

Puzzleheaded

I read all the comments, each has a different explanation. If that is statically-valid market research, then nobody can factually answer this poster’s questions.

Existential

That so many people may be speculating doesn't mean what you're implying here, that 'nobody can factually answer.' It just means that the vast majority are a bit mixed up.

Puzzleheaded

Yes, this is an area where someone cannot factually prove anything, other than to themselves via their own personal experiences.

For example, people who have had a near-death experience know for a fact they had it, but they cannot prove it in a scientific laboratory, court, internet discussion :-).

I have encountered different vintages of sentient souls in the spirit realms, and some take human or other physical forms on Earth or elsewhere, and others don't, and even others do both. 

I'm headed toward 81. I first heard of old and young souls around the time Shirley McClaine's movie "OUT ON A LIMB" came out. I was becoming interested in the New Age, went deeply into it, then ealized it was not solving my problems, nor had being a Baptist, then an Episcopalian, then a non-church-goer.

So one day in early 1987, I made a desperate prayer after realizing I was out of rope and bright ideas: "Dear God, I don't want to die like this, failed. Please help me. (pause) I offer my life to human service."

About ten days later, or rather nights, I woke up in the wee hours and saw two white shift-shaped beings hovering over me n the darkness. I heard, but not with my ears, 'This will push you to your limits, but you asked for it and we are going to give Ito you." I saw a white flash and my body and being were jolted by something electrical. That happened two more times in quick succession. My body was shaking and I sweating, The beings faded away.

That began what I later came to see as my being captured by angels whose names are known in the Bible. They stood me before many mirrors, and turned me every which a way but loose and upside down and inside out, and they are still at it. They have not seemed particularly interested in telling me what goes on in the spirit realms, other than every incarnated soul has a life review after leaving physical form, and there are past lives, and what's important is how incarnated souls live when they are in physical form. The angels also said there is dissension in the spirit realms, regarding what to do with humanity on Earth, and in the more general sense of as above, so below, and as below so above.

They gave me this poem in the spring of 1994, which I still feel sums up the soul questions for me:

Earth-

The sacred prism

through which souls are refracted

into their elemental parts,

purified in Holy Fire,

then one-forged

and sent on their way

to not even God knows where,

simply because they are all

unique emanations of God,

evolving ...

Existential

Hi. Is this something to do with my comment, as you had posted it here as a response? I don't see a connection.

If so, please clarify so I may address it.

Cool!

Puzzleheaded

Yes, it is a response to your comment, and to the post as well. What's important is what people experience and do on this world. That is so whether we are old or new souls. I briefly shared with you what angels, who see, hear and know a great deal more than people see, hear and know, shared and did to and for me (and to and for a few other people I have known). And, I shared a poem angels gave to me, which is about any and all souls on this world, and where they originated at some point in time and in space. God, by whatever name, is Eternal. Souls come out of God, but not all at the same time. Everything came out of God, which is in everything. Religions have put their own spins on God, and made their spins hardened concrete. God, however, is not fathomable, and not even angels fully know God.

Existential

Thank you for sharing; quite an experience.

I maintain that the soul is eternal, and the 'young soul / old soul' thing is not the age, but the amount of time the soul has been misidentifying with the temporary material energy as its self.

Some have been in the wheel of rebirth longer than others, but we're all eternal.

Puzzleheaded

In the sense our souls came out of God, which is Eternal, our souls are eternal. Godspeed

greeneyes
Amazing, Puzzleheaded, that you've lived with this knowledge for this long while watching the world toil in ignorance.
Must've been maddening.
Your story of the mirrors...
I don't wish to cause offense but just to share my thoughts.
To my understanding, the thing going on with the mirrors wasn't them doing something to you but actually just them making you aware of a thing that you were doing to yourself.
I could be wrong but I don't think I am and I thought you might be interested to know.

Puzzleheaded
The mirrors forced me to keep looking at myself, my hubris, demonic twin, character flaws, denial, beams in my own eyes, projections, etc. I was corrected, spanked, adjusted, redirected many times. Even now, age 80, it happens. Perhaps a life review before I cross over. And it will continue then. Imagine every person being given that while they live on this planet. Humanity would be very different. Know also, I had and saw many beautiful things, I was rescued many times from danger of and not of my own making. Some of it was terrifying. Even some of the angel healing of horrible soul wounds was terrifying. I think, if humanity is given what I and a few people I knew well also were given, maybe 50,000 people would survive it.

greeneyes
I believe you and have been given a "taste" of such things myself. It certainly changed my perspective. I can't imagine what the world would look like if it happened to everyone. I don't know if I would have survived a more intense experience... and perhaps that's why I didn't have one.
The things that you're talking about... they happen to everyone (I think) but not in such a rapid and obvious fashion.
More like, they are given opportunities to overcome such things or see it for themselves. It's why people find themselves in the same types of situations over and over again, because they haven't learned the lesson or learned it well enough. It also seems to happen at a societal level, where we all go through it together.
I didn't realize quite the intensity of your experience.
It is for the reasons you said, the forging and evolving of unique emanations. Refining and growing.
Even with what's been said, I wonder if you are holding back on some of the crazier experiences... and that's ok.
Thank you for sharing your story and poem, it's been lovely to hear and think about.

Puzzleheaded
Thanks, based on my personal experience and those of a few other people I have known well, what we experienced was very rare. Literally, we were captured and run by angels known in the Bible. We were not church people, although some us had grown up attending churches. The common denominator for us seemed to be we were desperate enough to try something really different, having no clue what it would entail, and had we known, we might have said no thank you. But once in it, there was no safe jumping ship. 

 

Yes, I've had countless experiences, which science, 

psychology, psychiatry and even religion do not accept, I've talked and written extensively about those experiences, some of it in this forum, and much more in books, on my blogs, and more recently in a podcast another angel-captured amigo created for me, in which he talks but is not seen, and I talk and am seen. He has put many of my writings into internet libraries/archives, and will put more there. Free reads, no ads, no solicitation. This is an anonymous forum, and I hesitate to provide my name and links, therefore.  

 

greeneyes

I'll tell you one of mine, just because you really seem legitimate and I think you might enjoy it, and perhaps might have a useful or enjoyable comment.
One Christmas Eve, in a church that that I no longer attend, there was a nativity display.
In the place of the nativity figure of Mary, I saw Mary herself. She didn't look at me or say anything... and didn't need to. I understood.
I was allowed to see her because her love of Jesus is such that she also loves those who love Jesus. I know a lot of people say they love Jesus, but there's not a perfect honesty to that if you don't know for sure he exists.
I'm not and never was a Catholic and hardly had ever given much of a thought to Mary... and from this and other things I now understand that I basically know nothing. Whoever and whatever she is, with the ability to appear to hundreds or thousands of people every year, I just don't know. I can't seem to think of her as a ghost or a God.
She just is outside the scope of any concept that I understand.

I had a funny thought at the time, "She's taken becoming a symbol of hope a bit too literally!"

Puzzleheaded

I believe you had that experience. Either the soul that was Mary, or an angel posing as her, apparently has appeared to many people in that way. But not to me. What I wonder is, why for you personally did it happen?

greeneyes
For one thing, alignment. I was in a state of love and wonder regarding Jesus and his birth which corresponds to Mary's state. A shared experience.
For another, there was no belief forced upon me by such a reveal. For some people, this might convert them to Christianity or something. There was no conflict for me... I'm kindof a pseudo-Christian... you might say a non-denominational gnostic Christian who doesn't take things too literally. Or literally at all, really. Also, the concept of "receiving a vision" or "hallucinating your perceptions" is already how I view all perception.
It's possible that you or anyone might receive such a vision and dismiss it as your eyes playing tricks on you, or your mind playing tricks on you... or rationalize it away by some other means. I was open to such things.
Perhaps most relatable to you, I ask for such things. I seek more knowledge and understanding as well as more mystery. Such an experience fulfills that request.
There are other reasons too. It made me become aware of the seriously crazy number of sightings of her. I had occasion to learn the meaning of her name... which is mother. So saying mother Mary is akin to saying Mother Mother, which is funny to me. The name certainly raises questions to me when thinking about Mary the Magdalene.
Finally, you can imagine that for me... many seemingly random events may not be random at all. Like this conversation for instance, or other conversations I've had about this. The fact that I might share such experiences with people and have them consider their perspectives and perhaps "wrestle with God" might be a reason why I personally would have such an experience.
That I might, and that you might share useful perspective, could be the reason we're even chatting at all. I'm not sure I believe in random coincidence at all.
This is probably incomplete.

Puzzleheaded
The God odds of you and I intersecting were 100 percent. Mary mother of Jesus in the Gospels is a very different being from Mary Magdalene in the Gospels, who was Jesus's wife and bore him a child after the crucification and resurrection (NDE). But he wanted to go east, and she did not wish to leave her culture, and they parted. It became lethal to be a follower of Jesus, and Magdalene went with the child to southern France, where a sect sprung up called the Cathars, who recognized the child as being of Magdalene and Jesus. Eventually, nation states loyal to Rome burned the Cathar churches and libraries. If this is news to you, get a copy of Holy Blood Holy Grail. But that does not resolve for me, and perhaps not for you, the vision you had of Jesus' mother, and I want to sleep on that tonight and perhaps I will be ready to answer you tomorrow, and perhaps tell you more about Magdalene, which was told to me.

Puzzleheaded
Don't think I dreamed about any of this last night, yet I'm glad we met and are having our discussion. I don't meet many people actually having direct experiences with the "God realm", which change their lives. I will share an observation that in the Gospels, Jesus sometimes spoke pejoratively toward and of his mother, and he said he did not come to bring peace, but to divide families, including children from their father and their mother.

In maybe 1993, I went into a trance and this came to me from very far away about Melchizedek, the Christ and Mary Magdalene:

Melchizedek ...

Melchizedek is an order of angel that comes to a planet in trouble ...

Melchizedek comes to prepare a planet to receive the Christ ...

Christ does not come to a planet without Melchizedek ...

Mary Magdalene was of the Order Melchizedek 

 

greeneyes
I had a period, maybe 2 years, where I felt like I was a lightning rod.
It was kinda crazy, strangers mentioning to me my thoughts in the street, other bizarre occurrences, and unending synchronicities.
Actually, weird events have followed me throughout my life though I was blind to them for most of it.
I do understand the "You cannot do this work..." I think. It allows you to build up a "positive charge", attract the negativity, and dispel it. I can imagine that it either feels draining or invokes a beautiful feeling of the joy of giving. Perhaps either or both depending on the situation. If not released and built up enough, I imagine that reality would swirl strangely around you.
We don't have a perfect knowledge of everything in this life. If you asked yourself, "what would I do if confronted with this situation?"... it's not helpful if you already know how things are going to turn out. If you did, you could never really know how the uninformed version of yourself would respond. Almost none of these people thinks that they're supporting nazis, Hitlers, killers, demons, or whatever. They started out as very naive and idealistic spirits who thought that they could overcome any obstacle... but that's so easy to say and think when you don't know what it's like to be in total blind ignorance of the truth. They know "the truth", but not the truth on the ground, so to speak.
A sidenote to that is that nothing is actually predetermined... it's close to predetermined and practically a foregone conclusion but it's never quite completely predetermined. To do so would require the full alignment of all intention. I can't imagine that. Then again, even this conversation is outside the scope of most imaginations. Perhaps I will be surprised.
Having faith and some connection to the divine can clearly and plainly affect your life on the ground. Even just a positive outlook can make a huge difference. The supernatural is just another path, and any path is better than bland materialism. Everyone has their own spiritual gifts and magic... and use them, though they're almost always unaware of it.
I have felt the presence of angels in real life, and spirits. I can't plainly see them, but I prefer to feel them anyways. It's more personal. I met an angel in a dream one time... not at all what I was expecting. The angel's name was written on their forehead, which seemed strange. I've been aware of other entities too.
I don't know anything about Melchizedek or the order, I've never heard of them... though the story of them coming to help the people here sounds familiar and I've heard of such things before but with other names attached.
I'm enjoying this little sharing. 

 

greeneyes
At first glance, this Melchizedek and the order seem to be attuned to particular aspects of God, namely the energy of justice and righteousness... which in some ways don't seem necessarily strongly correlated to Christian messaging as much as Judaism. Would you agree?
It seems somehow fitting that a Jewish energy would arrive before a Christian one.

Puzzleheaded
The thought by many Bible scholars to be anonymous Letter to the Hebrews in the New Testament says Jesus is High Priest in Melchizedek. The letter is addressed to Jews who had followed Jesus, but had returned to their old Jewish beliefs and practices. The letter warns the of the peril of turning away from the cleansing of the Lord, and tells them they should be eating meat and teaching, but they are still drinking milk, and they should return to the discipline. I experienced the discipline and it was horrible, but necessary, and it continues. Jesus said in the Gospels, many are called, but few are chosen; the road to life is difficult and the gate narrow and few enter; the work is great and the laborers are few; his baptism was in fire and he was anxious to get on with and share it. Mainstream Christendom doe snot know that Jesus, whom the Jewish priesthood in that day did not like even a little bit. 

Jesus's companion, Mary Magdalene, was of the Melchizedek priesthood, as was Judas. The rest of the disciples were clueless about those three's relationship and secret meetings during which they discussed coming events. Judas was the only one Jesus trusted to play the betrayer in that skit, and Judas did what was asked of him, and he was so distraught, he killed himself. Had he not done that, he would have been used by God to carry forward what Jesus had begun, and maybe we'd never have heard of St. Paul. 

 

'I do understand the "You cannot do this work..." I think. It allows you to build up a "positive charge", attract the negativity, and dispel it. I can imagine that it either feels draining or invokes a beautiful feeling of the joy of giving. Perhaps either or both depending on the situation. If not released and built up enough, I imagine that reality would swirl strangely around you.' 

 

I do not think you understand, but consider how Jesus did this work in the Gospels, simply because it was given to him to do, even though there was scant world reward and lots of flack coming back at him. It's a calling. It's really hard work, sometimes very dangerous in human sagas as well as spiritual realms.
In late 1998, I moved back to my home state and was not gotten involved in face to face social, political and religious dramas, but I continued writing to a blog and wrote a book and was on social media, and that all increased, and then came the free ad-free podcast which has an international audience of about 60,000 complete watches per episode. My writings are not in internet archives/libraires and more will be there. Free reads.
Every day, I wake up wondering why iI'm still here, hoping at some level this it the last day, even though I do have stuff going on that I enjoy with people who do not and perhaps never will understand what angels did with me. I have two friends, who know me in that way. One of them was captured by angels, too. He's about half my age. He has so much to look forward to :-).
He built the podcast and figured out how to get it attention, after professionals turned me down. Then, he figured out how to get the writings into the internet archives/libraries. When some Ukrainians in Kiev found the podcast and emailed him, he knew people who knew people, who got them pass ports and into UN shelters and into the Chez Republic or Israel, depending whether they were Christians or Jews. They were fleeing into sewers during missile attacks, because the sewers were softer than the bomb shelters. I learned of that only because one of the Ukrainian Jews emailed me and told me about it.
What manner of idiocy dreams up a shooting war around nuclear reactors? 

 

greeneyes
Fair enough, there's a lot about your situation that I find surprising and I can only relate the little that I can. Perhaps I don't understand... But to my mind it does sound as though reality swirls differently around you. Wanting a war anywhere at all seems pretty horrible. I wouldn't make much of a soldier. I like to think I wouldn't obey any order that I didn't agree with, which would be most or all of them. Thank you for your service to help the world.

Puzzleheaded
All war is terrible. The nuclear component is exponential. Overall, Humanity is separated from God, its feminine aspect is all but destroyed, it is spiritually cloning itself and devolving, and the demonic realm likes that and herds and the status quo, and is the real “deep state”. Each person must find his or her own way. Jesus in the Gospels provided a formula anyone could use. Christianity doesn’t grok him very well. You found or were shown a path you could take and leave the herd and migrate toward and into what Jesus called the Kingdom of God. A path Jesus said is difficult and few enter the gate. Fortunately for humanity, it’s not be a Christian, or die and burn in hell forever.

Puzzleheaded
I started a new free, no ads, no solicitations blog earlier this year, at which wanders here and there as things wander to me and I wander to them. The newest post comes up first. Unless people are public figures, I don't use their real names. Here's link, if you are interested.
https://ramblingsofbatshaman.blogspot.com/2023/02/if-there-were-no-god-topic-would-never.html

greeneyes
I mean... why wouldn't they know Jesus was? Doesn't it say so in the bible?
Though Magdalene may have been such a priest secretly, I see no reason to think that she was openly.
Of Judas... some gnostic texts I've encountered would make me think he is not... if Melchizedek or Melchisedec refers to Justice and Righteousness as I'm coming to think (although I've also wondered if it means "vessel of the energy of the lord")... I think he may be associated with some other energy.
When I say this... I imagine God or "God-energy" to in some way represent "Goodness itself", to which Justice and Righteousness would only represent one aspect of many. Others might be things like Love, Hope, Liberty, Charity, or whatever. Kindof like a rainbow coming out of sunlight.
The funny part about the milk and the meat is that we still live in that situation today. There is very little "deep" or "adult" about the practice of Christianity in almost any circles today. If it is so in some other practices, I'm not aware of it.

Puzzleheaded
Hebrews, in the New Testament, was written by someone who knew Jesus. I was told Magdalene wrote it anonymously, because it was known then that no man would read or consider what a woman wrote. Melchizedek beings, humans they have adopted and trained, Jesus in the Gospels, the angels known in the Bible, all exist. Just as God is, they are unfathomable to human beings. Yet, you keep trying to define them, which is not possible. I told you Magdalene, Judas and Jesus were a team, who operated in secret as far as the other disciples were concerned. You keep drawing on things you have read, which you interpret, I draw on what I have been told and shown directly. I have known five people who were in similar enough communion with those beings, who understood I was what I was going through and being told. I'm still in contact with two of those people, who are considerably younger than my 80 years. There simply is no way to understand or appreciate what I tell you of my experiences and the angels, and the demons, unless you have been in similar straights, so to speak, to my own. That is not meant as criticism. It is simply how it is. 

I take no credit for it. It was done to and for me. I was not special, but was desperate enough to be open to whatever might be in store, even though I had no way of knowing just what or how truly difficult a lot of it would be. I sometimes have told people that I was about the sorriest piece of shit the angels could find, and they took me on as an experiment, to see if they could do anything with me. It's a wonder I didn't kill myself many times, and I suppose the angels had a hand in that not happening. Or perhaps I was just too chicken. 

Based on our discussion so far, you have heard nothing from the sprit realms about me, nor what I have told you about my experiences and some of what I have been told and shown. So, I wonder if you are being guided, steered, corrected, redirected by something bigger, smarter and wiser than you? I hope you are, because the other realms are full of opportunistic beings, and also demons, eager to latch onto and use people unawares

greeneyes

I believe you that they exist. I believe in Angels. I know God exists.
I haven't been shown a lot of things directly, but I have seen and participated (peripherally) in miracles.
You're right that I can't see it from your perspective... but that doesn't mean that I will abandon seeing things as best I can from my own. Perhaps one day, I will see it better than you can. Perhaps not. Regardless, I enjoy trying and won't stop.
No prophet was special except in regards to the fact that God was involved with their lives... and yet they were and so are you. They were special to God, for whatever reason... and that's about as special as you could ever hope to be. It seems to me that the angels have done well.
I can relate to your statement about being "a sorry piece of shit"... and that's humility come honestly. I've thought that if I ever joined the body of Christ, I'd be like the pimple on his butt. I've heard that tax collectors may be closer to salvation because they know they're no good... they have no option or ability of getting to heaven on their own... they know they must look to God for that. Most of us believe that we can... that we're good, or at least good enough.
I've been guided many times, perhaps always, but it is somewhat mysterious to me... it's definitely something bigger. I've had some limited interaction with angels (as previously mentioned), Mary, spirits, other beings, and demons.
I don't think you need to worry about me. I appreciate it though.

Thanks for the link earlier, I will definitely check it out.

Puzzleheaded

I hear you.
I don't know where I stand with God, and I fret each day,  hoping I'm on or near the tracks God wants me on.
Here's a link to a somewhat romp of a podcast about ETs my friend and I put up recently, for a change of pace.

Idiot Watch: Biden UFOs, Putin nuclear plant war, Republican fiscal zombie apocalypse

https://youtu.be/_qxHxHQcBQc 

 

Puzzleheaded

Oops, that's a link to the next podcast, which somewhat leaked from the ET podcast. Here's a link to the ET podcast, which the angel Michael told Bob in a dream, we should do.Greetings, Earthlings: ETs exist. Now what?

   
Greetings, Earthlings: ETs exist. Now what?

https://youtu.be/TaH0aSAqFKI

 

sloanbashinsky@yahoo.com

Snapshots of how a dinosaur left behind by the Mother Ship tries to cope with and enjoy not being extinct- yet

I posted to my Facebook timeline yesterday:

Sloan Bashinsky
I wonder if we'll ever know exactly what the US Air Force shot down after it shot down the Chinese "weather balloon"? I imagine it's a bit harder to find out what was shot down over water, than over land. I wonder if that's a reason to shoot down things over water?
The U.S. warplanes did not photograph the three "flying objects" over Alaska and Canada, before shooting them down?

Athy
Sloan Bashinsky There are many questions without answers, I don't expect answers, I just enjoy life a lot, in case I can't do it later.

Sloan Bashinsky
Athy great approach to living, I’m a dinosaur, supposed to be extinct, can’t get around and carry on like I once did, so had to adapt and find other ways to entertain me, although not necessarily anyone else.

Athy
Sloan Bashinsky as long as you can breathe, enjoy what you do, life will go on until we decide, hugs.

Sloan Bashinsky
Athy I play a good bit of chess and duplicate bridge, which makes up most of my so-called social life, I you don't count messing around online and talking with a few friends. First time ever, a neighbor cooked dinner last night and I cooked up some Asian greens and we dined on the dining room table in my apartment. First time ever I had someone over for dinner, or ate at that table, and I've been in the apartment nearly 4 years. Usually, I take her out to dinner somewhere pretty good, 2-3 times a month. She lived here with her husband, when I lived in this apartment building in an earlier phase of my life. And there was a phase before that, when I lived in this building. Seems this is where I end up after I quit running away from home, again. Her husband was French, she became French, worked in the Louvre for a while, speaks French about as good as English. My romance days seems to have gone bye bye. I told her last night, that I feel like the Mother Ship dumped me here and took off. That I'm not of this world anymore, but still live here and have to engage what each day brings. I'm trying to find a veterinarian, who will put me down when the right time comes. Shameful, people love their pets enough to get a vet to stop their pets' suffering, but they want their human relatives to live as long as possible, regardless. But that's all aside from my curiosity about the three small aircraft the US Military shot down recently. I have good reasons for being curious, because I have seen the Mother Ship, and maybe she had nothing to do with those objects, but maybe she knows who did. 

Athy
Sloan Bashinsky I liked your story, it is true and I did believe in aliens, and you know what I think is that they are better than humans in intelligence and who knows even in heart, otherwise many years ago they were already dominating the world, I'll visit you I am a tax specialist and I am in the middle of the tax season, I usually go to the kayos, to listen to music. You must enjoy life a lot, in your own way, with your friends, and write your stories, one day we will have many answers and even if they do not give us answers, we know what is happening.

Sloan Bashinsky
Athy The government/s have no clue how much energy it takes to keep secrets, same for people; energy that could be spent on other pursuits. Imagine Joe Biden announcing the US has positive proof ET ships exist, and here's the proof. Imagine the ensuing pandemonium in the Christian right in America, especially .
I practiced law in Birmingham and during that time obtained a masters in tax law, about half of which the US Congress abolished soon afterward. When you have time, let me know and we'll arrange a place to meet.
Re pandemonium, once upon a time, I lived in Boulder, Colorado. I was married to a licensed clinical social worker. She, her son about 10 years old, another licensed clinical social worker and I were sitting on the side patio one nice April day. I happened to look up and saw a white saucer air ship parked beside a small cloud about 2 miles up? I told them what I was looking at, and to look up, but they didn't, as they said, "Yeah, right, Sloan." The ship darted behind the cloud, and I told them that, and they said, "Yeah, right, Sloan." Then, the cloud started being stretched the sky, left to right, like a very wide vapor trail jets leave at high altitude. I told them to look at that. "Yeah, right, Sloan" I've been thinking lately that was my clue to pack up and make tracks elsewhere with all due speed. Might have saved me a lot of grief and heartache that later happened. And, money. 

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spiritual bi-polar disorder - absence of the feminine, the south pole

Most of my posts into an online spirituality group are probes. Quite a few group members did not like, nor seem to understand, what I posted yesterday. The group's moderation team finally commented:

Spirituality-ModTeam

Stickied comment
The post does not meet the criteria: there is insufficient information to initiate a meaningful conversation, or the quality of the content is inadequate.

No way was provided for me to reply. 

This morning, the MOD team took down the post, which I had copied and saved.

It looks to me the MOD team and most of the commenters suffer from absence of the feminine.

Everyone in the group uses a fake name. Mine is Puzzleheaded. 

The post

Puzzleheaded

"bi polar" disorder - absence of the feminine

Self-Transformation

Bi Polar

the world's favorite

mood disorder

the cause of all

human ails,

including wars,

if the demons aren't counted

bi polar disorder,

the destruction of the

south pole,

the feminine,

the north pole,

he ain't been

right in the head

since she's been gone

Mysterious

That is utter rubbish...

Radiant

This is incredibly disrespectful.

rose

I'm sorry, I am so confused.

Puzzleheaded

The title to this post and the poem provide the psychospiritual context. The masculine-feminine balance in nearly all people is way skewed toward the masculine. This is the fundamental reason humanity is so messed up. This post into a spirituality group is about a metaphysical bipolar disorder, which underlies the species' many problems, as well as it underlies what the mental health profession and religions attempt to address and resolve. Modern medicine does not recognize the impact of this disoder in a human body. Consider Christendom, for example. Its Trinity is all male. No feminine in it. That archetype has bled into and disturbed the psyche of every person in Christendom at a very deep level.

enkesha

Nope. Why would you write "bipolar disorder the cause of all human ails, including wars"? That's such a horrible thing to assume and place upon those with bipolar. Those with Bipolar disorder have also created great things. The disorder is not all destructive. Hence bi polar: 2 . Euphoria and love and destruction. In my experience it's as though you take human emotion and the volume is at 10 at a football stadium. Emotions maxed out. Equating bipolar with war and destruction and the absence of spirit or the feminine is disrespectful, harmful and arrogant.

Puzzleheaded

Imagine the yin/yang symbol with the black missing, or wrecked. That’s what has happened to humanity.

enkesha

Maybe. But blackness or whatever is missing has nothing to do with bi-polar. You can write about polarity and extremes without calling it bi-polar. Bi-polar is an illness. Why stigmatize bi-polar by equating the illness with the destruction on humanity? That's absurd.

As to yin and Yang: It's fine to hypothesize and write poetry about the state of humanity . The title of what you wrote is Bi polar. Half way through your piece you wrote bipolar disorder. You didn't write Yin and Yang. It's offensive to associate bipolar disorder with the destruction and war.

Puzzleheaded

The black part of the yin-yang symbol is the yin essence/function, the female essence/function. I put bi-polar in quotation marks, and then described it is about absence of the feminine, and then I provided a poem about it. This is a spirituality group. However, I have had a great deal of human training, both as a student and as a practitioner, and as a patient, so to speak, of angels known in the Bible, in what generally can be called psychospiritual disorders. In each case, including my own, at the root was what I have described here as bipolar disorder, and psychology and psychiatry would do well to take a long step back and consider they don't know everything about what they diagnose. For a very long time, aboriginal shamans have treated mental illnesses very differently from how the so-called civilized world treats mental illnesses. The Swiss Psychiatrist C.G. Jung focused a great deal on the internal animus (masculine) and the internal anima (feminine). Wars, for example, are driven by masculine energy and lack of female energy.

noinnocent

From your replies, I’m gathering that you’re using the term bipolar as an analogy and not the literal mental illness because you don’t have an actual new term for what you’re describing? Please correct me if I’m wrong.

If what I said is true, or if you’re literally talking about actual bipolar disorder, that’s a terrible things to do and what you’re saying is causing HARM. How dare you call yourself spiritual and then spread harmful messages like this. Either way, this post is horrible and you need to learn what empathy is and true spirituality

Puzzleheaded

I put the bi-polar part of the title in quotation marks, and followed it with an explanation and then with a poem that metaphysically describes the problem, which can be viewed as any person's psychospiritual problem, or as the human species' psychospiritual problem. The post is not about what used to be called manic-depressive disorder, and then was called bi-polar disorder. However, damage to the internal male-female dynamic, balance, function, etc. can and does cause physical, emotional, mental and spiritual problems in human beings.

I think A COURSE IN MIRACLES attempts to deal with that by saying nobody knows what really is going on, and if something upsets us, or punches our buttons, then we should try to sit in the discomfort and not try to fix it or react outwardly. A year of that, and a person is changed enough to be able to move forward, instead of being stuck or moving backward. Other spiritual disciplines used much the same approach, including Jesus in the Gospels, G.I. Gurdjieff, Buddhism, Sufis, for examples.

Conscious

Um as someone with bipolar disorder: no thank you

Puzzleheaded

The poem is about a spiritual disorder in nearly all people.

Saying it another way, too much yang, not nearly enough yin (Tao); too much animus, not nearly enough anima (Carl Jung), too much Father, not nearly enough Holy Spirit (Christendom); too much Shiva, not nearly enough Kali, or Shakti (Hinduism), for examples.

enkesha

But those things are not similar to Bipolar disorder. Bipolar is not polarity or things missing from a person's psyche . You should write what you mean- polarity or use symbolism like magnetism or balance or lack thereof. You are misusing and misunderstanding bipolar disorder.

Puzzleheaded

Isn't what psychiatrists call bipolar disorder, a ratcheting back and forth between mania and depression, with some people being more polarized into maina and others more polarized into depression? Do you not think that a disturbance in the internal male and internal female could be related to what psychiatry calls bipolar disorder, or schizoaffective disorder, or schizophrenia?

enkesha
Oscillating from depression (low point) to mania (high) happens, sure, but that's also an oversimplification. There is also if mood is on a spectrum there is major depression (in numbers let's say -10 to 0; neurotypical mood range 1-10 ; hypomania 10-13 then mania 13-psychosis.
Hypomania mood can start and/or be wonderful, creative, loving 🥰. A lot of creative people have done great works while in a hypomania --focussed, driven even if a little speedy. Hypomania can feel awesome. And some good can from it because of the stretches and connections one's mind and imagination create.
Mania can start goodsort and then spiral 🌀. Slipping into psychosis. But that psychosis doesn't have to equal violence or obvious outward destruction (not immediately) there Psychosis could be believing your a fairy. Could be a "flight of ideas". My Mind was tripping and visualizing so much. Mania can cause a lapse In judgment- sudden obsession or need buy things or what ever. And yea there is manic rage: Emotion and mood on steroids.
Bi-polar is nuanced, complicated, individual in how one cycles through moods. Could be hypo for 4 months; then fin for like 2 days then Plummet into dysphoric depression for a year. Some rapidly cycle during one week or one day.
Bi-polar is not so simple like a magnet 🧲 or a battery 🔋 a Magnet and battery have a positive charge and negative charge. Opposition and connection .
Bi-polar can enhance good qualities, creative thinking, writing, problem solving. and can paralyze and harm someone. A lot of the media likes to say that violent criminals have bipolar. Maybe they do..but maybe not. But it's harmful because a lot of people have bipolar and are not criminals. People are already stigmatized by the bipolar = violent. And this writing of yours is another way those with bipolar (myself) feel it's hurtful and misguided. Edited cause of my redundancy

Puzzleheaded
This is a spirituality forum. My post addresses what is wrong with humanity, and nearly every person, regardless of their station, views or beliefs. Absence or severe damage to the internal feminine, the South Pole.

enkesha
I am aware it's a spiritual forum. You wrote bipolar. If you wanted to talk about yin and Yang or divine feminine and masculine great , do that. That isn't what you posted. Your initial post that I am responding to was offensive and misuses the term bipolar disorder. Most of the comments you are receiving explicitly say they find your use of bipolar offensive. If you actually care about humanity or divine or yin and Yang, I suggest start by listening to people who live with Bipolar disorder and don't like this writing. Admit the wrong or misrepresentation and move forward with a different approach to your spiritual writings.

Puzzleheaded
I posted about the spiritual bi polar disorder, which nearly every person has.  

 

Runsfrom

🤔

That's like saying mania and depression have genders, judging by your post title.

I believe your intention is valid. Problems arising from imbalance. But the terms used are not a good fit.

Puzzleheaded

The title is, "Bi polar disorder" - absence of the feminine. Mania is a whole lot of yang (masculine) energy, depression is the polar opposite. However, this post, as the poem states, is about the state of the masculine, thus humanity, due to the absence of the feminine. 

 

noinnocent

Ok so if you’re not referring to the literal illness called bipolar disorder (formerly manic depressive disorder) then STOP USING THAT TERM. You are actively causing harm by doing that. Make up your own term. Do not borrow a real term that means one thing and one thing only. You are replacing a negative term and putting “bipolar’ in its place. It’s just like how people used to say “that’s gay” rather than “that’s stupid.” It’s wrong. What you’re doing by “borrowing” the term bipolar is spreading misinformation and actively causing harm. There are people in this thread who have the illness and are telling you that you’re being harmful and you’re speaking over them. Stop. I don’t care about a long winded paragraph about how you’re right… if someone who has said illness is telling you that, you be quiet and listen. Smh.

Puzzleheaded

My post is about spiritual bi-polar disorder, which nearly every person has. 

 

noinnocent

So THIS is the hill you’re gonna die on?? Equating bipolar disorder to the reason for human suffering and wars? Huh

Puzzleheaded

The hill humanity is dying on, and killing Mother Earth.  

 

Edgezg
I'm really stoned, but I'm gonna try and understand this.
The lack of the feminine has led to mood disorders that have caused the problems we are facing?
Is that what you are trying to say?

Puzzleheaded

Mood and all sorts of disorders. 

 

Melted

Sooooo if everyone was in tune with themselves, would we be in heaven? That being said, I am thankful to be breathing and have the chance to make a difference against some of what you mention. It's a daily struggle. I can't say I concretely understand your poem. But I can see where it's coming from. . . Have an upvote.

Puzzleheaded

Thanks. Every person, me included, has daily struggle. Heaven is a state of being, I’m not there, but I have felt it sometimes. Restoring the inner feminine and masculine is difficult but really important. 

 

Melted

Like walking on a razors edge. I hope to ascend one day... Fare well to you. Peace and Love, melted is beaming out!

Puzzleheaded

Thanks, same for you. One of my favorite movies, The Razor’s Edge, starring Bill Murray. What a spiritual journey.

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